23 July: Denis Pagan sacked / Ratten named caretaker (pg9)

Taff · **Posted:** Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:10 pm

camelboy wrote:

Can someone please take notes if they hear any of the press conference on the radio. I can't seem to get the stream of SEN working at the moment.

Haven't been able to get the steaming for a few days now. I suspect it is overloaded today!

TheGame · **Posted:** Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:10 pm

About time.

bluehammer · **Posted:** Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:11 pm

quotes from the presser

Greg Swann: "we know where we're at at carlton. We've found a magic wand behind a cupboard at Royal Parade, we've waved it, and it actually worked. We've been looking for answers for a while, but gee, someone was pissing down our backs and claimed precipitation. The old coaches take time. You can't just put them in pressure situations and expect them to react in the modern game. "

hannahadhair · **Joined:** Mon Jan 01, 2007 4:47 pm **Posts:** 67

on ABC 774/ victoria now

buzzaaaah · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:31 am **Posts:** 17892

Braddles wants to be a senior coach one day too.

I think it will reflect badly on Ratten if he declined to be caretaker so that he wouldnt have losses on his resume

Jezilla · **Posted:** Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:18 pm

press conference televised live on fox sports news (channel 513)

camel · **Posted:** Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:19 pm

Carlton sacks coach Denis Pagan
http://www.afl.com.au/Default.aspx?tabi ... wsId=47812

bluebo baggers · **Posted:** Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:22 pm

Thanks Denis

Thanks for making us the laughing stock of the competition
Thanks for ruining many of my weekends
Thanks for at least giving us Gibbs, Murphy, Setanta and Kennedy

Don't let the door hit you on the arse on the way out.

sheriffcassidy · **Posted:** Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:31 pm

Rocco Iguana wrote:

IMHO I think the senior playing group should butt out ... they are hardly blameless is this whole sad, sorry saga.

They should be well and truely ashamed of themselves ... the only thing I saw yesterday, was the kids trying their best.

Once Swann annouces DP 's demise, he should makes it very very clear that all playing positions are on the line and past efforts and history will mean diddly-squat ...

no more talk of tanking , I want to win games or go down fighting !!!!

I'm sick of this shite. Give me my Navy Blues back !

Agree mostly - some 'senior' players need to look at themaelves.

Well, all the DP haters will have their moment in the sun, but if we get a great coach and still lose will DP be villified?

You can't polish a turd, and two number one draft picks does not a premiership team make. (Or three... :wink:

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SurreyBlue · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:32 am **Posts:** 10517

I think the blow torch will now be turned well and truly towards some of our so called leaders. :wink:

camel · **Posted:** Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:37 pm

bluehammer wrote:

quotes from the presser

Greg Swann: "we know where we're at at carlton. We've found a magic wand behind a cupboard at Royal Parade, we've waved it, and it actually worked. We've been looking for answers for a while, but gee, someone was pissing down our backs and claimed precipitation. The old coaches take time. You can't just put them in pressure situations and expect them to react in the modern game. "

You're on fire hammer! :lol:

Donstuie · **Posted:** Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:40 pm

I was a Pagan supporter up until the Hawthorn game this year, and I've steadily grown more weary of the same old crap. For about 3 or so years I stuck by Denis, always looking to his previous success with both senior and younger players as evidence that we just needed patience with him. But during the Hawthorn game it became absolutely clear to me that without a Carey to carry out his one gameplan, there is nothing else to Denis' bag of tricks. I've got no doubt he tried his best, and I'm glad he responded with dignity at the press conference today, and I indeed wish him all the best (who knows, at a different club the formula might work). But the time is now to stop the bleeding and give this batch of extremely promising young men a new environment and new ideas to follow.

All the best Denis, shame it didn't work out.

Now its time for some of our senior group and match committee to wear some hurt.

DownUnderChick · **Posted:** Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:44 pm

Anyone have any info please on what was said or is being said as I cannot get anything streamed online anywhere!

Donstuie · **Posted:** Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:50 pm

It was pretty short but sweet. Swann started with the official line, and then Denis fielded questions from the reporters. The main points of his were that
- He understands this is a win/lose business, and knows the realities of how football clubs work.
- That with another 30-40 games this group of players will be successful
- He was very proud to be associated with the CFC and that the club will still be around when we're all gone
- He doesn't blame the players, nor feel any bitterness towards the club. He actually sounded quite sincere in this too.

The overriding feeling I got is that it seemed as though a weight had been taken off his shoulders, and even though I think this is the best decision to make, I couldn't help but feel a little sorry for him. He seemed...happy.

Synbad · **Posted:** Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:51 pm

If Ratten wants to someday coach.. its a great idea that he declined caretakewr coach with us.
He would have to try and prove himself with a win......

Great outcome...!!!

good luck to Denis... but really... how much time did you need to find us a gameplan and organise some setups???
Welcome Voss !!! :wink:

George Harris · **Posted:** Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:55 pm

Donstuie wrote:

The overriding feeling I got is that it seemed as though a weight had been taken off his shoulders, and even though I think this is the best decision to make, I couldn't help but feel a little sorry for him. He seemed...happy.

I'm sure $700,000 helps one get over the indignity of it all.

bluegirldanielle · **Posted:** Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:59 pm

so any news on who the caretaker coach is then??

Donstuie · **Posted:** Mon Jul 23, 2007 3:00 pm

Well do we know that he's being paid-out for next year, or is there a clause somewhere that can prevent that?

Fevolution · **Joined:** Wed Jun 22, 2005 7:25 pm **Posts:** 1655

my uncle just told me that murph was gonna leave if denis stayed. My uncle works wit murphs auntie.

camel · **Posted:** Mon Jul 23, 2007 3:06 pm

bluegirldanielle wrote:

so any news on who the caretaker coach is then??

Just on 774 newsbreak...

- Swann told Pagan early today he would not be coaching Carlton in 2008
- Was agreed that it was best to go now
- Pagan expected the news after the Brisbane loss
- Pagan said the mini achievements (pre-season flags) were nice, but he just didn't win enough games
- Not sure if he wants to coach again in the AFL
- Board will meet this afternoon and expect to announce caretaker position later in the week

23 July: Denis Pagan sacked / Ratten named caretaker (pg9)

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