Who would you favour as next Carlton coach?

Donstuie · **Posted:** Sat Jul 21, 2007 6:31 pm

I want McKenna for head coach, Vossy as an assistant/development coach. PERFECT!

Warby · **Posted:** Sat Jul 21, 2007 7:05 pm

Just because McKenna and Longmire and Ratten et al are Assistant Coaches; does that mean automatic success for them as Senior Coaches?......of course not !

I still have a feeling about Voss being the man for us.

thedominator · **Posted:** Sat Jul 21, 2007 7:32 pm

Anyone supported by Swann and Pratt for me...Bluey's the man

Donstuie · **Posted:** Sat Jul 21, 2007 7:44 pm

Warby wrote:

Just because McKenna and Longmire and Ratten et al are Assistant Coaches; does that mean automatic success for them as Senior Coaches?......of course not !

Of course it doesn't. But the reason so many of us are looking at assistant coaches is because we want a FRESH approach with our team. Someone with new ideas. Many of the senior coaches on the market now are very set in their ways, which is a trap we've fallen into with DP.

Warby · **Posted:** Sat Jul 21, 2007 7:49 pm

Donstuie wrote:

Warby wrote:

Just because McKenna and Longmire and Ratten et al are Assistant Coaches; does that mean automatic success for them as Senior Coaches?......of course not !

Of course it doesn't. But the reason so many of us are looking at assistant coaches is because we want a FRESH approach with our team. Someone with new ideas. Many of the senior coaches on the market now are very set in their ways, which is a trap we've fallen into with DP.

When you quoted me; you omitted this....."I still have a feeling about Voss being the man for us."

Tractor Boy · **Posted:** Sat Jul 21, 2007 8:02 pm

Do not for one minute underestimate the role McKenna has at Collingwood. One reason they are so competitive this season is because of there game day match ups and forward planning in the way they study each opposition.

Collingwoods list is not that great, they are either playing above themselves or are magnificently prepared and coached. Bluey is a part of all that.

His professionalism, experience commands respect. The Guy is ready..

Take a risk or take Bluey.

Blue Sombrero · **Posted:** Sun Jul 22, 2007 3:05 am

Much and all as I hated Mark Harvey when he and David Glascott used to go at it like a couple of bantam roosters, I reckon he has had the best possible preparation of all the possible senior coaches available, apart from those who have already coached (Daniher, Connolly).
All that time working with Sheedy in a winning culture plus the time at Freo in a tough/losing culture.
I reckon he will be a huge success as a coach and I would forgive him his sins against us if he were to come to PP.

Elwood Blues1 · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:10 am **Posts:** 4827

In light of our poor leadership and lack of onfield know how does anyone fancy Voss making a comeback for one year as captain coach with his mate Grant Thomas, Stan Alves etc working out some moves and plays in the coaching box.
Its a bit of a wild idea but maybe Voss can contribute a bit more at ground level initially than he will in the box and I would presume if his coaching team does contain the likes of Thomas/Alves etc they would have a fair say initially in the moves/plays anyway.

Like I have said before I want a proper process in selecting the new coach but it appears that probably wont happen and Voss will get the job at some stage so why not have him doing his coaching/teaching at the coalface initially...

TheGame · **Posted:** Sun Jul 22, 2007 9:23 pm

He retired because he can't play anymore.

verbs · **Posted:** Sun Jul 22, 2007 9:30 pm

Looks like he's had surgery on his little finger.

bigfella · **Joined:** Mon Nov 21, 2005 7:50 pm **Posts:** 279

People seem to be enamoured with the idea of a high profile former player stepping into the role, but look at some of the coaches who have performed best this year: Laidley was a junkyard dog, Clarkson was never a superstar, Neil Craig got shit because he never played VFL etc.

Whilst I think that Voss could come in and all probably do a great job next year, Chris Bond has experience under one of the great coaching tacticians (Eade), he has helped to turn the club around from the dark days under Rohde, and I believe that he would implement an attacking, accountable style of football. Bond for me.

Loyal Carltonian · **Posted:** Sun Jul 22, 2007 9:45 pm

It's not the seventies anymore. Just let him coach.

blu944 · **Posted:** Sun Jul 22, 2007 9:46 pm

Whilst it would be piss-funny to draft Pagan's replacement, we have to be realistic, he retired because he can't train and play footy much like our current captain. He'd just take another spot on the list that could be used better.

We should target Judd and Pavlich in order to bring the leadership in a package that also contributes on the field.

4thchicken · **Joined:** Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:44 am **Posts:** 3136

bigfella wrote:

People seem to be enamoured with the idea of a high profile former player stepping into the role, but look at some of the coaches who have performed best this year: Laidley was a junkyard dog, Clarkson was never a superstar, Neil Craig got shit because he never played VFL etc.

Whilst I think that Voss could come in and all probably do a great job next year, Chris Bond has experience under one of the great coaching tacticians (Eade), he has helped to turn the club around from the dark days under Rohde, and I believe that he would implement an attacking, accountable style of football. Bond for me.

peter dean perhaps?

Wangers · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:26 pm **Posts:** 1763

I was leaning towards Voss, but I think McKenna's stocks have risen in the past few weeks.

He's played in a successful premiership side, was part of one of the most miserly defences in the land (even though Earl lined him up in that classic match in 95 :wink:

), coached a WAFL side, done his apprenticeship as assistant at Collingwood under a premiership coach - has all the capabilities to step up. Just a matter if he can sell himself better than others in contention. It will come down to that.

It's a race between Voss & McKenna with Bond the dark horse.

Siegfried · **Joined:** Fri Jun 24, 2005 12:30 pm **Posts:** 2862

Wangers wrote:

I was leaning towards Voss, but I think McKenna's stocks have risen in the past few weeks.

He's played in a successful premiership side, was part of one of the most miserly defences in the land (even though Earl lined him up in that classic match in 95 :wink:

), coached a WAFL side, done his apprenticeship as assistant at Collingwood under a premiership coach - has all the capabilities to step up. Just a matter if he can sell himself better than others in contention. It will come down to that.

It's a race between Voss & McKenna with Bond the dark horse.

He was also an assitant to Worsfold. Watching the game today, I couldn't help but imagine McKenna in the role, and how he would work with the group both on and off the field, in times of hardship, drawing on his experience as an assistant at WC and Collingwood, esp when Coll were struggling, and then comparing that to a guy who hadn't been an assistant, who hadn't had any exposure to the challenges that a senior coach has to deal with, with no coaching experience to fall back on.

I know that we don't really have any detailed knowledge to separate McKenna, Bond, Longmire etc, but on the face of it, I'm feeling more and more strongly about McKenna.

koutahootarootafides · **Joined:** Thu Jan 04, 2007 11:58 am **Posts:** 315

I am thinking like this:

Voss was a great onfield leader, earns respect and natural leader - great player, supported Carlton as a kid, has a can-do attitude where I wouldnt like to be in a situation of 'what if we took him'. The problem is his off-field stuff at the moment is not something we need at Carlton. Really annoyed that he is involved in it all with looser Gehrig.

Ratten - Blue blood, hard player, seems to have done well with Demons a while back, and his vfa team or whatever it was. The problem is, he is part of the current group of assistants - does that count or account for anything.

I voted Voss in the end. I would be happy to see Ratten as coach for remainder of year, then make the hard call.

Donstuie · **Posted:** Sun Jul 22, 2007 11:43 pm

Which is why I think Bluey is the man to go after. Not only does he have a very good rep with his coaching work, but he comes in with no baggage or any affiliation with the current coaching staff or match committee.

Blue Bird · **Posted:** Mon Jul 23, 2007 8:17 am

ABP

camel · **Posted:** Mon Jul 23, 2007 8:58 am

It's a shame that Voss is still tied to the Lions. Otherwise the board could sack Pagan AND Mitchell and give Ratts the Carlton caretaker gig and Voss the Bullants caretaker gig.

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