We were OK in 2000 because we still had Silvagni, Bradley, Brown, Ratten, Sexton, McKay etc. Did we have players coming through to replace them? O'Reilly, Mansfield, McGuane etc?

I don't agree on this...

Sure there bodies are not fully developed, but this game is more of an athletic nature and not physicality these days.

I think it has far more to do with whats happening between the ears and the maturing of the person rather than the body.

Exactly. I can believe people unmericfully bag probably our grestest premiership coach. It's extremely poor and ungrateful.

While I didn't disagree in prionciple with topping up as we were a flag chance, we did go too far in the way of top-ups admittedly, more in the type of player we got and the draft pick we gave up. Parko has the nuts to admit his mistakes both here and when he lost the players at Fitzroy in 1988. By contrast, our current coach deflects blame. Parko made an error here but over a period of thime he was here he was terrific for our club. Let's face it, we've all made big blunders in our lifetime.

Jim, Had Parkin continued on to this day as well as being a 3 time pre,iership coach, he would have been remembered as our first wooden spoon coach and leader of the worst period in our history.

Probably smart to pull the pin in 2001, hey .

Having Kouta go down against the Scum in 2000 has had major ramifications for the club.

Apart from losing the game's best player at the time (and though we regained the player in name Kouta circa-2000 was lost to football for good), we effectively lost the 2000 premiership at the same moment.

If we had won the 2000 premiership it would have provided the perfect full-stop to a number of playing careers. I'm guessing there would have been a significant change of personnel but what happened was we tried to hang on to the possibility of a premiership rather than begin building the next one.

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What makes you think that? We probably would still have tried to get another flag in 2001 as we did in 1996. Plus Kouta & Silvagni were covering up how ordinary many of our other players were, which became obvious in 2002 when they weren't there.

Except if the coach is Pagan, of course

There is no way we would've won any spoons if he was coach.

I am longing for the day that a credited journo fully exposes the brains behind our draft selections from 1996 - 2004.

These people should be exposed.

The brains behind Michael Mansfield, Stephen O'Riely, Murray Vance, Kris Massie, Trent Sporn, Luke Livingstone,.. etc is the nucleus of our demise.

The David Parkin - Wayne Brittin era was the beginning of the end my friends.

Bring in Guy Mckenna ----> I can see the headlines now "Bluey a Blue".

Message to David Parkin ---> The way you have sprinted back to Hawthorn to hide from your mistakes is laughable old fella. WE KNOW THE TRUTH !!!!!

I agree. David Parkin is a major reason why we are the way we are today. He has no right to comment on our club now, as he stuffed up big time. He and he old players that he was hanging on to.

Isn't it funny how he mainly considers himself a hawthorn man now. Left us in the Lurch. He can piss off also. These bloody old ass, one dimentional coaches. Piss me off.......

He may have been a good coach for us, but he had a very good team at the time. He was not very good at rebuilding or trying young guys. One of those coaches that does well with a good team, and shit at rebuilding. It took walls to come in and rebuild. You all forget peoples......

Yeah, I'm well aware of the window punching and it severing nerves in his hand as I was absolutely shattered. I indicated, the media chose to focus on the "sick dad angle" so whilst a young bloke at the time, maybe the "real truth" (depending on who you ask) was never told.
I don't recall Bosustow going home at the end of 1981 or 1982 though but maybe was too young. I was just excited watching him play footy. Still, even if he DID return home and play the "contract negotiation game" it is hardly cause to say that Parkin sacked him is it? IF he walked of his own volition, it's not exactly a sacking - surely.
As for Parkin sacking the rest of them, fair call. I still stand by comments that these blokes were sacked - except Sellers. Parkin was not employed by the club at the end of 1986 so it would have been Walls who sacked him.

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You can have all the first round picks in the world, but if you don't develop them, it's ultimately hopeless.

It's like graduate recruitment in a professional services firm. You can get the best young talent from the universities but unless you train them well, develop them, nurture them - ultimately they will become damaged goods and not realise their full potential.

I suspect that is part of our problem. Livingston showed a fair bit in 2002 but I don't think he was developed properly and as a result his confidence plummeted.

My main fear is that Walker, Murphy, Gibbs, Kennedy, Grigg, Russell, Bower, Hampson will suffer in the long term because there hasn't been enough development at the club. The news that we intend to bring in a development academy of sorts for next year with full time development coaches, a psychologist, an assistant fitness coach - that has been more positive than getting in another pick at 17 who would otherwise go to waste.

Look at Adelaide. Van Berlo was a skinny little runt taken at 70-something. He's now racking up 18+ possies a game and shows a bit as a wingman or HBF. Same thing with Bock, Rutten, Mattner, Knights. Hardly any of them are high draft picks.

Give me high draft picks AND development. Then we're talking.

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Whooa there Fevola, need to pull you up here. Parkin came back to Carlton after 91 and we'd had a few very dismal years. he was given the task to rebuild the on field capability, had us in a grand final in '93 and premiers in '95. Walls came in with a ready made side. Parkin is one of the finest coaches the game has had a a master manager of people. Listened to him this morning on SEN how he gave the reigns to Britts in 2000 (when we should've at least made the GF).

And he sees himself as a Hawthorn and Carlton man. Don't disrespect one of the greats of the game and the Carlton Football Club, and get your facts straight before you go off half cocked.

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Sorry Crystal Blue disagree on a few points.Vance,Massey and Livingston were all highly regarded by the experts and other clubs during their under 18 careers.We are not the first club to have early picks that dont develop,its not an exact science.Agree that Mansfield and ORielly were poor choices but as said before we were chasing the flag and can understand the reasoning behind it.
Brittain was very unlucky with injury in 2002.As for David Parkin,if you have ever listened to him commentating Carlton matches you would know he has as much love of the Navy Blues as Hawthorn.Im sure most of us would have expected close to the same side in 96 after such a dominant year in 95.

Except when Carlton plays Hawthorn. Admittedly it was in conjunction with Peter Schwab and we were getting hammered, but I've only ever switched off an ABC radio call for biased commentary once. And it was a few weeks ago. It was atrocious. Parkin and Schwab were creaming their pants and their Hawthorn connection was blatantly obvious.

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Awww. Jealous much? The ex still has a soft spot for her first love! He'll always be her first and you will always be compared to him.

I'll give you Massie and Livo, but not Vance. IIRC, he was regarded as a 2nd round draft pick or maybe a late 1st round pick. But pick 6 was way out of the range.

It was obvious that Parko thought he had the dark horse of the draft. He gave him a big wink and thumbs up. But his head wasn't right, and his size was nothing special. At best, he would have made a flanker or 3rd tall.

3 flags . End of story.

THe rest is " maybe he ran down the list " " he went for a flag instead of developing youth " " he would have coached us to a wooden spoon had he stuck with us". Its all crap, guess work and what ifs.

The only true fact is he won our club 3 flags.

Carlton legend.

Two out of three ain't bad. Parkin has admitted the first two claims himself.

But you're right, that does not deny him "legend" status at the club.

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