BlueDW wrote:
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Wolfe wrote:
Spirit what spirit our team has no spirit at moment we wouldnt be in this situation if we had spirit but sadly not gonna happen while we have Pagan still in as coach.
Why would the team play with spirit when they dont believe in the coach, dont like the coach, dont play for the coach, dont respect the coach.
Quite simply when Pagan coach and the we have a new coach who the players respect, play for, believe in and want to play for then we will see a different team. No point picking on individual players our whole list is suffering the younger players / new recruits / seniors. The whole list is playing without any enjoyment or spirit. been sapped by the current coach who we know will be gone soon... only a matter of time the sooner the better.
Abd Care taker coach if Pagan goes sooner than later instruct him to play the kids simple
Play Hamo in the ruck / play Grigg / Edwards maybe a select other kids and just play them to see what they can do. we are not likely to win another game so just give the caretaker the oppertunity to blood the remaining kids and we can start to see what these kids can offer for 2008
Blokes who have spirit (eg Archer) give their all regardless of who is coaching. Personally I dont think that Pagan deserves to keep coaching, however I do believe that shouldnt stop the players from having a crack.
They are paid exceedingly good money to do what most of us would do for nothing (easy to say from this side of the fence right?) therefore winning or losing, surely effort is one thing that each and every player has control of for 100% of the game.
That is my gripe. The Kangaroos definitely dont have a list that is in the top half of the comp talent wise, however, they are after 15 rounds sitting 3rd on the ladder, and absolutely deserving to be there. Why? Well footy at the end of the day isnt JUST about talent, or the quality of your training facilities (Glenn Archer made a point about 12 months ago that lifting 50 kg's at Arden St is just the same as lifting 50 kg's at the Lexus Centre), but the most important element of winning a game of footy whether it be the Eastern League between Vermont and East Burwood, or the AFL GF, in most cases the team who wants it more, will prevail.
The old saying that footy is 90% between the ears is still valid in my opnion. CFC over the previous 5 years to me just hasnt has these qualities.
I agree with you if this was after 1-2 years but after 5 years the players / Supporters / members have had enough.
The spirit in Players / Supporters / members has all but gone now after 5 years of crap.
The kids have no spirit or belief because they even get elevated which seems a hard task they play on the bench and if you dont get 30 possies in 30 minutes you get chucked back in the Reserves after one game RE Grigg / Hartlett / Kennedy / Anderson ect ect the list goes on for miles.
Even when you do well in the reserves you dont get looked at IE Blackers being the biggest example but there are many others.
The Team positioning is all over the place so we started the year with a settled back line from Wizzar cup to first couple of rounds then for some reason we decide to turn it up on its head. There is very few settled positions in the side. Most other teams have settled back and forward lines and when they make changes ie injuries / form they bring in like for like. At carlton we just bring in who ever Pagan wants to play on the bench for the next game.
The developement is a joke .. no comunication with the Senior and reserves coach but also No comunication with the senior coach and the younger kids. So that means pagan prob speaks to a dozen players consistantly as most of the list is under 22.
The Seniors dont like Pagan this is well know except maybe Whits (He made him Captain) Fev well this may be faltering now.
I am sure Kouta / Stevens / Lappin / Scotland would rather see the back end of Pagan and prob several years ago
Reckon Stevo only re-signed for 2008 and beyond as he prob already been told that Pagan is finished in 2007
Anyway this group of players have put up with enough and i can see them playing with no spirit and fully understand as a supporter my spirit is lacking but like the players just waiting for DP Day the day Pagan is removed from our once proud club.
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