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simpson needed time to adjust the pace of afl football...he was always a great ball carrier in the bullants, courageous and great mark for his size...it is true in his first 5 afl games i thought he wasn't going to make it...he just steadily improved and started taking players on..


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Pro: I decided not to subject myself to next weeks thrashing and will go see Chopper Read the night before instead of the Carlton game

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Seeing Gibbs playing injured for no reason


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Pros
Another game and experience for our youngsters.
Even when we are losing we still manage to kick a reasonable score.
It won't be too hard to drop a player or two and Benjamin and Jackson.
We have about 10-12 players to build into a side.
Our kids don't stop trying.

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Our midfield structure and game plan at ball ups, boundary throw ins and bounces. I'm not sure if it is the midfield coach or the players but against a good ruckman we don't seem to currently have a set up to stop breakaways eg. We line up on attacking side of Boundary throw in. Tap from Spider over back to Swans player who runs onto it and is heading towards goal with no one between him and goal. Similiar things have happened in other games. Is it fitness, lack of concentration, poor coaching, bad discipline, or a combination of all?
Our skill level drops away under real pressure


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1 game closer to the end of the season.
Swans supporters actually having some respect for Carlton after last year's appalling effort.

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Not enough food at the pre-game member's function.
Libba failing to answer my question adequately at the member's function. :roll:

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Josh Kennedy - The worst player in the AFL?


yep, AND he was a low draft pick, who would have thought a low pick wouldn't be better then those after him?

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koutahootarootafides wrote:
Pro: I decided not to subject myself to next weeks thrashing and will go see Chopper Read the night before instead of the Carlton game

Cons:
Seeing Gibbs playing injured for no reason


Are you from Brissie?

I play footy with a guy called Mark Read. :-D


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It was Sydney's highest-ever score against Carlton, beating the previous total of 23.13 (151) in 1934.

Kennedy

Poor tackling

Betts

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Give Kennedy a chance as stated he is 19 Years old second season and 1st season was interupted judge him in year 3 and also with a new coach in 2008

Kennedy to me is similar to Roughhead who potentially gping to be a good kP prospect but needs time. last year Hawks supporters where whining about why they picked up Roughead but another year being Rougheads third and he is only now starting to show why he was picked at 4th in 2004

So lets give Kennedy a 3rd year and a coach who will give our young players a chance before we pass judgement.

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kennedy reminds me too much of stephen oliver.... i hope i'm dreamin'...

roughhead is finding it tough....and is now finding his way he is the exception not the rule for a high draft pick...

we need to compare him with pavlic, kositchke, polak, josh fraser, mcpharlin, glass, brennan, mcintosh, laycock, chaplin... [they are all first round picks]

or we compare him with mcdouggal, kepler bradley, shulz, watts, nick smith, angwin, travis gaspar [all first round picks]

unfortunately there is no middle ground with tall blokes, they either make it or they flop. unfortunately these are the realities...


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winfieldblue wrote:
simpson needed time to adjust the pace of afl football...he was always a great ball carrier in the bullants, courageous and great mark for his size...it is true in his first 5 afl games i thought he wasn't going to make it...he just steadily improved and started taking players on..


JK has kicked a couple of bags of 4 and 5 for the reserves and has been best on ground on a few occasions.
Get your facts right before you post.


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jk looked good last year in two games i have seen him when he was named in the best for the bullants he was playing in the ruck to suggest it deserved a call up to afl well you have low standards.


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I don't think there's a lot wrong with Kennedy's game at the moment... except for his marking. The rest of it is being made to look extremely ordinary as a result of his current inability to hold the thing. His hands are truly horrible at the moment, stiff and lacking anything like touch, and have been for almost the entire season (even his marking in the better performances for the Bullants has been unconvincing).

I'm not too sure what the answer is, but this is a problem that has plagued his first two years of football, and as much as I admire his work rate and willingness to present (most often without reward), this just won't be enough unless it comes good at some point.

Time is on Kennedy's side, of course, but for mine, Hartlett has shown much more this year when opportunity and injury have allowed him a crack at CHF.


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verbs wrote:
koutahootarootafides wrote:
Pro: I decided not to subject myself to next weeks thrashing and will go see Chopper Read the night before instead of the Carlton game

Cons:
Seeing Gibbs playing injured for no reason


Are you from Brissie?

I play footy with a guy called Mark Read. :-D


Yes from Brissie.


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he is definitely not lazy...he is simply not ready for afl...he has lots to learn, like marking technique, putting body to body in the contest when he is defending...he depends on his lanky army to do the work for him and forgets to put body pressure.. he isn't using his body right...guys half his size are spoiling him and if we take lappin.. he is outmarking guys twice his size because he knows how to use his body he knows how to protect the ball in flight with his bgody when a defender is breathing down his neck....he is a clumsy footballer, call it inexperience but he is clumsy.


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bluedog wrote:
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It was Sydney's highest-ever score against Carlton, beating the previous total of 23.13 (151) in 1934.


So Pagan continues to break records :roll:


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I don't think you're being fair on Kennedy. You're assessing his performance as a ruckman. It's not his fault that this is where he is being asked to play and neither he nor Setanta fail to give their best but they aren't ruckmen.

It takes years for a ruckman to develop at AFL level and that is normally after an apprenticeship in junior leagues and the VFL. Even then some ruckmen take many years and games of AFL before being able to handle the position properly. He was recruited as a key position forward so play him out of the forward pocket and give him an another season or two before he is asked to hold down CHF.


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he played forward in a few games last year and this year.
its his instinct to use his body correctly, not whether he plays fporward or ruck...hopefully he works on it during the pre season... thats what you get when you draft basketball players hoping they develop the instinct of a footballer...he has great atheletic ability and is extremely mobile but doesnt have that cutting edge football acumen to use his body correctly for a tall player - in a one on one glenn archer will out mark him eight out of 10 times, probably lappin as well..


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amazonstud wrote:
I don't think you're being fair on Kennedy. You're assessing his performance as a ruckman.


Ok, well lets assess his talent as a forward or CHF

When the ball is coming in, do you:
(a) catch it
(b) fumble it

If your answer is anything but (a), you need to do more skills training


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Pro:-

I can add another large number to my sig.



Con:-

I can add another large number to my sig.


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CarltonClem wrote:
Libba failing to answer my question adequately at the member's function. :roll:


What was your question and what was his answer?

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