Who would you favour as next Carlton coach?

Jarusa · **Joined:** Sat Feb 26, 2005 9:00 am **Posts:** 23123

BlueDW wrote:

Jarusa wrote:

BlueDW wrote:

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Jarusa wrote:

... and Voss is also doing a management course at (what some consider) Melbourne's most prestigious Business School.

So what? Last time I looked, managing a group of footballers had nothing to do with profit and loss statements!!!

Management is much more than just profit and loss statements, it is also about managing people.

Maybe you will find that out one day.

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Me thinks you are confusing Management to Leadership...2 vastly different things, but you can think differently if you wish!!! BTW, did Voss learn that right cross at this "Management School" to which you prefer???

And as far as finding this out one day what managing people is all about, I have been working at a leadership training company for most of the previous 10 years or so as a consultant, I think that is one subject that I am quite up to speed at!!! Thanks for your concern though!!! I appreciate it, really I do.

You are welcome.

Of course management is different to leadership, Mr Pratt himself mentions that several times in a great speech of his that was posted here in TC last year. Never suggested otherwise.

I think Voss has the leadership skillset already covered, don't you? :wink:

Good luck with your leadership training.

Taff · **Posted:** Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:02 pm

BlueDW wrote:

Jarusa wrote:

... and Voss is also doing a management course at (what some consider) Melbourne's most prestigious Business School.

So what? Last time I looked, managing a group of footballers had nothing to do with profit and loss statements!!!

Has a lot to do with people management as well though. Invaluable.

BlueDW · **Posted:** Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:08 pm

Elwood Blues1 wrote:

Profit and Loss would relate to Accounting.......

Agree with Jarusa....Management is about managing people, getting them to work together for the best result which is what the present incumbent has had difficulty doing.....

Voss obviously appreciates it is more than leadership required and wants to learn some new skills ...nothing wrong with that IMHO...

No chance pal, you lead people, and manage things!!!! Quick question, how do you manage a person, esp one who doesnt want to be managed...eg Fev? BTW P&L, right in the heart of management, specifically managing a business.

camel · **Posted:** Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:13 pm

Have you been getting so unneccessarily fired up and overusing exclamation marks for most the 10 previous years as well?

BlueDW · **Posted:** Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:14 pm

Jarusa wrote:

BlueDW wrote:

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Jarusa wrote:

BlueDW wrote:

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Jarusa wrote:

... and Voss is also doing a management course at (what some consider) Melbourne's most prestigious Business School.

So what? Last time I looked, managing a group of footballers had nothing to do with profit and loss statements!!!

Management is much more than just profit and loss statements, it is also about managing people.

Maybe you will find that out one day.

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Me thinks you are confusing Management to Leadership...2 vastly different things, but you can think differently if you wish!!! BTW, did Voss learn that right cross at this "Management School" to which you prefer???

And as far as finding this out one day what managing people is all about, I have been working at a leadership training company for most of the previous 10 years or so as a consultant, I think that is one subject that I am quite up to speed at!!! Thanks for your concern though!!! I appreciate it, really I do.

You are welcome.

Of course management is different to leadership, Mr Pratt himself mentions that several times in a great speech of his that was posted here in TC last year. Never suggested otherwise.

I think Voss has the leadership skillset already covered, don't you? :wink:

Good luck with your leadership training.

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You are a patronising SOB, based on what I saw on tv re outside the pub in St Kilda, I would suggest that Voss has a long way to go as far as having all bases covered re leadership. How is he going to take the moral high ground if one of our kids get in a fight at a pub, and he is their coach?

Taff · **Posted:** Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:16 pm

BlueDW wrote:

Elwood Blues1 wrote:

Profit and Loss would relate to Accounting.......

Agree with Jarusa....Management is about managing people, getting them to work together for the best result which is what the present incumbent has had difficulty doing.....

Voss obviously appreciates it is more than leadership required and wants to learn some new skills ...nothing wrong with that IMHO...

No chance pal, you lead people, and manage things!!!! Quick question, how do you manage a person, esp one who doesnt want to be managed...eg Fev? BTW P&L, right in the heart of management, specifically managing a business.

Leadership can be debated forever. Great topic though and my experience is summed up in my signature below. Can Voss bring hope, short and long term?

BlueDW · **Posted:** Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:18 pm

camelboy wrote:

Have you been getting so unneccessarily fired up and overusing exclamation marks for most the 10 previous years as well?

Now there is a constructive statement.

Who is fired up, sitting in my office, eating some lasagne, taking it very easy thinks! Was that a more satisfactory use of an exclaimation mark for you?

Blue Vain · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:35 am **Posts:** 17937

BlueDW wrote:

I have been working at a leadership training company for most of the previous 10 years or so as a consultant, I think that is one subject that I am quite up to speed at

BlueDW wrote:

No chance pal

BlueDW wrote:

You are a patronising SOB

Where do you work BW, the Corleone Brothers? :lol:

jim · **Joined:** Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:21 pm **Posts:** 8183

BlueDW wrote:

Jarusa wrote:

BlueDW wrote:

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Jarusa wrote:

BlueDW wrote:

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Jarusa wrote:

... and Voss is also doing a management course at (what some consider) Melbourne's most prestigious Business School.

So what? Last time I looked, managing a group of footballers had nothing to do with profit and loss statements!!!

Management is much more than just profit and loss statements, it is also about managing people.

Maybe you will find that out one day.

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Me thinks you are confusing Management to Leadership...2 vastly different things, but you can think differently if you wish!!! BTW, did Voss learn that right cross at this "Management School" to which you prefer???

And as far as finding this out one day what managing people is all about, I have been working at a leadership training company for most of the previous 10 years or so as a consultant, I think that is one subject that I am quite up to speed at!!! Thanks for your concern though!!! I appreciate it, really I do.

You are welcome.

Of course management is different to leadership, Mr Pratt himself mentions that several times in a great speech of his that was posted here in TC last year. Never suggested otherwise.

I think Voss has the leadership skillset already covered, don't you? :wink:

Good luck with your leadership training.

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You are a patronising SOB, based on what I saw on tv re outside the pub in St Kilda, I would suggest that Voss has a long way to go as far as having all bases covered re leadership. How is he going to take the moral high ground if one of our kids get in a fight at a pub, and he is their coach?

Just like parenting sometimes when you kick your kids up the @rse for the same things you did once ot twice in your day. Like parenting, in coaching sometimes there's a lot of "hypocrisy" involved with disciplne. Also, we have to know the full circumstances that led to the assault before making a judgement.

Elwood Blues1 · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:10 am **Posts:** 4827

BlueDW wrote:

Elwood Blues1 wrote:

Profit and Loss would relate to Accounting.......

Agree with Jarusa....Management is about managing people, getting them to work together for the best result which is what the present incumbent has had difficulty doing.....

Voss obviously appreciates it is more than leadership required and wants to learn some new skills ...nothing wrong with that IMHO...

No chance pal, you lead people, and manage things!!!! Quick question, how do you manage a person, esp one who doesnt want to be managed...eg Fev? BTW P&L, right in the heart of management, specifically managing a business.

You just told me you lead people and manage things.......now you want me to tell you how to manage Fev...Fev now being a thing I presume.
Fev is a bit immature for a 26 year old and needs a firm guiding hand...not a sledgehammer.....we want to keep some of Fev's natural emotional traits cos thats what makes him such a good footballer and harness them.

Synbad · **Posted:** Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:16 pm

Blue Vain wrote:

BlueDW wrote:

I have been working at a leadership training company for most of the previous 10 years or so as a consultant, I think that is one subject that I am quite up to speed at

BlueDW wrote:

No chance pal

BlueDW wrote:

You are a patronising SOB

Where do you work BW, the Corleone Brothers? :lol:

Blue 'The Icepick' DW....

Molly · **Posted:** Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:26 pm

We can shut this thread down now can't we?

I mean, Pagan says he is going to coach Carlton in 2008 :shock:

verbs · **Posted:** Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:41 pm

Can anyone else remember/find the story about Voss roughing up one of the kids at Brisbane a few years ago?

My memory is pretty [REDACTED], but I seem to recall a first year player did or said something Voss didn't like so he roughed him up in the weights room.

Another thing, at Brisbane, if you didn't worship Voss you didn't last very long.

Goltzenberg · **Posted:** Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:46 pm

How about we sack the coach first then work the rest out later

SACK PAGAN
CARETAKER RATTEN

If Ratten wins one game, then we fire him due to loosing the priority pick

We guaranteed to lose the last 8 games with Pagan.

Quote from Pagan 'Theres not anything more l can do'. Hes won 20 games in his 5th year a carlton. Hes digging a grave lol

Elwood Blues1 · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:10 am **Posts:** 4827

verbs wrote:

Can anyone else remember/find the story about Voss roughing up one of the kids at Brisbane a few years ago?

My memory is pretty flower, but I seem to recall a first year player did or said something Voss didn't like so he roughed him up in the weights room.

Another thing, at Brisbane, if you didn't worship Voss you didn't last very long.

Maybe he was just using the Robert Walls/Shane Strempel approach to discipline and respect....

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/stories/s280733.htm

:shock:

Goltzenberg · **Posted:** Thu Jul 12, 2007 3:17 pm

VOSS could = Malcolm Blight, Danny Frawley, Tony Shaw, Tim Watson, Jezza #25

Now l would of thought back in the day any of those 5 great players would of been good coaches, but l was wrong

Dont know what the hype is about with Michael VOSS.

Yeah he won 3 premierships with an umbelieveable team. You don't really need to lead a team when you got the players of the calibre of Lappin, Black, Power, Pike, White, Browney, Bradshaw, Lynch, Mal Michael, Leppitsch, Brad Scott, Chris Johnson etc. Really, l could be captain and the Lions would still of won.

And he won a brownlow. So did Libba and hes our assistant coach

I think in Carltons era at the moment it would be a better idea to atleast go with a assistant coach first then a person that has never coached a game before.
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I would rather see Rats, SOS , Rhys Jones, Mitchell have a crack first.

Atleast you have half an idea of what your getting in 2008, they have done an apprenticeship, with Voss, no one has a idea.

Jarusa · **Joined:** Sat Feb 26, 2005 9:00 am **Posts:** 23123

Goltzenberg wrote:

VOSS could = Malcolm Blight, Danny Frawley, Tony Shaw, Tim Watson, Jezza #25

You have two premiership coaches in your list.

camel · **Posted:** Thu Jul 12, 2007 3:35 pm

Haha, yeah, Blight was a dud coach wasn't he. Hopeless. :lol:

troybond · **Posted:** Thu Jul 12, 2007 3:40 pm

What about Bradley Gotch. He has done wonders over at Williamstown and i have heard that he is an integral part of the development of there kids. Hence the reason why the pies may not have there own VFL team next year. He seems like the type that puts alot of faith, time and effort into fast tracking kids.

Goltzenberg · **Posted:** Thu Jul 12, 2007 3:53 pm

Jarusa wrote:

Goltzenberg wrote:

VOSS could = Malcolm Blight, Danny Frawley, Tony Shaw, Tim Watson, Jezza #25

You have two premiership coaches in your list.

Well blighty - anyone can coach a gun team like Adelaide in the 90s
He didnt last long at St Kilda when he didnt have a good list did he?

Jezza - I remember him sacked in the 90s after Wallsy. Yea he won as Captain/Coach - The game has changed a lot since then l would think

its 2007 now

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