You guys who are claiming Fev for Pavlich or Judd as a fair trade need a dose of reality.

On the one hand, we have a maddeningly inconsistent forward, whose only constant habit is long bouts of selfish behaviour, punctuated by brief periods of contrition and focused play. Managed to get it together for nine months last year, and them promptly had a complete meltdown at season's end and has fired one shot this year. His best is blindingly good his worst could be seen against Freo. Threw his toys out of the cot when his peers didn't want a bar of him being a leader of them, even in name only - thus proving them 100% correct.

On the other hand we have possibly two of the best three players in the league who both have consistently played at a high level for years. Proven leaders of their clubs, and have led their clubs AS CAPTAINS to a prelim final and a Grand Final.

The only way we get either of them would be if Judd demanded to go home, which isn't likely. We'd be the laughingstock of the league if we went to the Eagles and requested Judd for Fev.

Having said that, I don't doubt we'll opt for a mature age player as part of any trade for fev, in conjunction with a pick. God knows the kids are totally bereft of any semblance of on field leadership, due in no small part to Fev and Whitnall being totally useless in this regard (for different reasons).

I used to back Fev to the hilt, and I copped his attitude when we had older players there and not much to look forward to. He was our only highlight for years, and I don't want to think of how bad the last few years would have been without that one shining light.

However we have a future now, we've got some great talent already in place, and kids of the highest integrity, effort and commitment. Seeing Gibbs bust his gut on the boundary line for 20 mintues on the weekend to get back on, and then go up and take that hanger was a huge lift in dark times. If Fev doesn't want to commit to to this team 100%, and set aside his own defnition of personal success to achieve a greater good for the club, then thanks for the memories Fev and move on.

The absolute worst outcome for this club would be the likes of Murphy, Gibbs, Carrots, Kade, Tex etc (even though he and Kade have just signed) thinking - I'm not copping this - and leaving. Unlike Fev, these kids have spent the last few years maturing as players and people and I desperately want them to suceed wearing the navy blue. No young player should expect to cop the repeated smashings this kids have suffered through under a less than positive coach with no leadership from within the group (except Stevens in the last year or so). They're about to come out the other side and enjoy some good times and I'm bloody excited for them.

Apologies for this rant, but I just don't think Fev belongs on the pedestal some place him on. He COULD, but to me he repeatedly shows why he doesn't.

No doubt, this Fev saga will be talked about in years to come.

The decision of whether to trade him or not will either come back and bite us in the backside or show that it was the best decision in the history of the club. It needs to be REALLY carefully looked at.

But just to reiterate what I have said previously, this is the first time we have a genuine star that can be traded and whom we are seriously considering trading. This is a once in a lifetime opportunity...I just hope we make the right decision.

Fair points.

I just don't want this club to give up a rare talent like Fev. for a couple of draft picks. Just not worth it when there is an element of a lottery to it anyway.

Who is to say pick 9 is going to be better than pick 12. We may trade to get pick 9, while it may be the case that pick 12 will be an exceptional player such as the Shaun Burgoyne's of the world.

ie - who is to say we won't bypass a shaun burgoyne of the world as we have done in previous years for a murray vance (pick 6) or a simon wiggins (pick 15)?



* in 2000 we used our pick 4 for Livingston - Burgoyne went at pick 12...aarrrhhhhhggghh!


I would think Fev is worth a ready made match-winner - obviously Judd and Pavlich are superior players to him, but they are the only match winners out of contract that I can think of.

So you want to know how the draft picks we will get will turn out before we actually trade for Fev?
Pavlich debut in 2000 and had a B&F by 2002. Judd debut 2002 and had a B&F by 2004. Both made an imediate impact on their teams and have been consistently good

I agree with you 1979, that is why this is going to be so hard. Keeping Fev on for next year is also a lottery in itself. Who is to say he won't spit the dummy in the last year of his contract and walk for nothing?

I agree that he is worth an established player + more. Fev is phenomenal and there is no doubt about that. The club has a VERY difficult job in how they wanna approach this. If no club is willing to give up an established player, then do we take high draft picks or do we keep him for next year and take a punt that he won't walk for free to the PSD in 2008.

I'm glad it's not me making the decision.

IMHO, If Fev is traded, we have to do so under the assumption that the picks we receive will work out according to where they fall within the draft, taking into account factors such as the strength of the draft etc.

And from what I have heard (ie Shifter on SEN) while the draft may be shallow, the top end is excellent. So there is no reason to think that we won't get decent players in the first round of this year's draft. Factor that in with our addition investments into Player Development at the club, and we could do alright out of multiple high picks this year.

I'm not in favour of trading Fev but his market value isnt anyhwere near what Pavlich or Judd is and i think Gary Lyon for once actually got it right.
The club by highlighting his problems have not exactly done much for his trade value and I dont understand the logic of what they hoped to achieve...

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People’s defence appears to be that trading a gun for picks sets you up for years to come and is the difference between a premiership or not.

St Kilda traded both Hall (who wasn’t considered a star at the time and had bigger questions over his attitude and talent than Fev) Locket (who was said to be an unsteadying influence). In return those players matured and Sydney have made it to 3 grand finals and won a premiership (losing one by a point to a team of drug cheats). St Kilda don’t look likely to threaten for a premiership anytime soon.

Hawthorn traded Thompson and Hay – neither who are considered anywhere near the star status that Fev is. And forget questions on their attitude, they have questions over their mental health. Hawks got over the odds for players who had never shown the type of ability that Fev has. Few are talking about trading Fev for over his value (which is basically only a Pavlich and Judd)

If we are to follow the Hawks model we should be looking to trade Whitnall and Thornton from our side for a few picks in the top 20. They are the comparable players to Thompson and Hay, but we won’t get as good a deal as far as trade picks go because the climate has changed.

So, people are looking to trade Fev for what will be less than his market value (a solid player and a first round pick). He is an 80+ full forward and is largely considered the best kick of a football in the league. This talk of one good year is garbage – he has been a 50+ goal player (whilst playing with significant injury) in a poor side for the last few years.

It throwing out the baby with the bath water and doesn’t make sense to me at all …

I haven't read any of this thread so I apologise if this has already been mentioned. But if the blues do keep Fev for next year, they would be irresponsible not to extend his contract for another 2 years because the worst thing we could do is to have the same situation next year and not have the leverage of a contract. Hence the possibility of losing him for nothing given that teams could take him in the PSD.

Yes, that would be a terrible scenario.

But if Fev wants to walk for selfish reasons, I could say Goodbye & Farewell.

If it is because the Club is in the wrong, then I would be very upset.

Fev doesnt equal Judd/pavlich however he has greater value on the market place than pavlich (I dont think judd will leave the eagles so isnt a factor when assessing market value)

The reason Fev would have greater value than pavlich (despite the latter being a better player) would be due to the number of suitors in the market. If pavlich leaves freo, he will want to go home to adelaide (crows or port) - taken together with being out of contract, his market value is limited (albeit high).

In contrast, Fev would garner reasonably strong interest from the bulldogs, swans, eagles, crows and arguably a few other clubs around the place - we should do well out of any potential bidding war.

One trade scenario that appeals to me would be a 3 way deal including freo (it will never be fev for pavlich). Presuming freo miss the finals and pavlich consequently wants to go home we might have more to offer freo (who are pushing for finals) than the crows or port - my thinking being that a gun forward would be of greater interest than a collection of draft picks and mid range players (which we would take)

As an example

Fev -> freo
pavlich -> port/crows
port/crows - 1st, 2nd, 3rd picks +player to freo
freo on trades 2X 1st round picks +2nd round pick +player to blues

freo gains Fev + 3rd rounder for Pavlich
Blues gain 2X 1st round picks, 2nd round pick + player for Fev
port//crows gain pavlich for 1st,2nd,3rd rounds+ a player

The above would require
pavlich to want to 'go home' and a bidding war to erupt between port/adelaide for his services and perhaps a strong bid from the eagles for Fevs services (pretty sure it would appeal to freo to stick one up their crosstown rivals)

Is 1st, 2nd and 3rd rounds + a player too much for pavlich? - In a supposedly 'weak' draft I'd say not. There is also precedence of giving up the first 3rounds previously (josh carr) in what may have been a stronger draft. Furthermore, most people would suggest that pavlich is a better player than josh carr.

Not sure what type of player would be on offer however such a trade however it would have to be someone who could contribute effectively to our team (perhaps a ruckman or a rank 13-18 player (meeson or maric perhaps).

If for example the ladder stayed as it is now and the 3rd party was adelaide (the higher of the 2 SA teams), we would end up with picks

1 (PP)
4 (1st round)
7 (freos first round)
12 (crows first round)
22 (2nd round)
25 or 30 (freo or crows 2nd round)
38 (our 3rd round pick)
+maric/meeson

In terms of the picks - that would open up a host of options including trading further up the draft as I couldnt see us utilising 7 picks in the ND (imo 5 max with a PSD and 1 or 2 rookie elevations)

Come on EB1, under that assumption you're obviously under the impression that every other club used to think Fev was a saint. Ridiculous to even think that. Every club already knows exactly what he's like.

I think its a master stroke because every other club will be very interested in how he comes back this week and for the rest of the season. If he continues doing that crap for that rest of the year then the opp. clubs quite rightly would think they'd get him cheap or not want him at all.

But what if he plays the last 8 games and kicks 35+ goals. They'd quite rightly think that he got the rocket he deserved and came back positively out of it.

StKilda traded T Lockett at the end in 1994 and ended up in a Grand Final in 1997. I'd take that scenario any day if it meant we'd be in the 2010 GF.

Fevola - I remember one night on the footy show in 2004 he was bemoaning about the fact the club didn't take A Davey in the 2003 rookie draft and had no idea who the Blues took the pick before. Was basically bagging our choice. That choice was Andrew Carrazzo who could easily win the John Nicholls Medal this season.

Fevola's best and worst are too far apart to continue to tolerate. On his day he is in best dozen players in the comp but on others he wouldn't get a game at a few clubs - you could never say the same about other key forwards in the comp such as Brown,Lloyd,Pavlich,Richardson,Lucas,Franklin etc.

As for his market value - it might continue to decrease if he plays the remaining 8 games. Further acts of poor body language and discipline is sure to crop up. It is Fevola we are talking about. He'll struggle to kick 20 goals for the remainder of the season.

Sorry but all this sudden Fevola bashing is getting up my goat. He has been the only shining light over the last 3-4 years.

He kicks goals with a crap midfield. He pumps the club up at every opportunity, and he wears his heart on his sleeve (His downfall). The only person to give a crap over the last couple of years.

Now all of you are bagging him and finding all these little faults.

It wont be long that you will all jump back on his bandwagon. I bloody hope we do not trade him. Who knows if the players we pick up from the draft picks end up being duds, getting injured etc there are no guarantees.

Fev is our own home grown boy and we need to persist with talent like him.. Get a good coach and we start winning some games, and he will be different.

Tell yourselves, name one player all other coaches think about when playing Carlton, Yep Fevola.............. Not many more. Who do all the kids love Fevola......... Yep not many more.

So dont give me this bagging of Fev crap all of a sudden...................

PS. I agree with him being re-primanded for his on field behaviour.

FYI I would of chosen Davey over Carazzo in a heartbeat also by the way....... Smart boy is Fev

If Fev is to traded, I don't believe we have a hope in Hell of getting either Judd or Pavlich.
I think the man we should zero in on is Dean Cox. And while we're there also enquire about Kerr. I'm sure all the anti Acklanders would
agree.

At what point do we stop persisting on a 26 year old who clearly believes all the hype about him makes him exempt?



Of late - Marc Murphy, Andrew Carazzo.



We've been bagging him for a while, but only when it is warranted.



Well let's hope your namesake also agrees and turns it around, permanently.

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The only positive out of a possible Fev trade scenario is that there will definitely be more than one club interested and this could create a bidding war. In regards to Judd, if we ended up with a PP and pick 4 for example, I would be happy to bundle one of either pick plus Fev to get him over the line (preferably pick 4)

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All I am saying is that I will be dammmmnned pisssed off if they trade Fev. for a first round draft pick and a second round draft pick.


I would consider not buying a membership next year - as it is sheer foolishness to do that trade.



I think he is a top notch player and I would prefer to keep him, but if he has to be traded because those in charge decide to do it - they better get a match winner in return, and quite frankly I don't see too many on offer.