CM,

Understand what you are saying about Teague and Saddington but its time for them to move on at the end of the season.
We need to follow the Collingwood model and trust our kids. Give them some responsibilty and I'm sure that they will come through with the goods.

There is strong word going around that he has been told to lose the 8kg before he is to be considered.

Couldn't agree with you more. He's potentially a 100 goal FF in a good team and given they're like gold a team pays through the absolute nose for him. They means a "gun for a "gun preferably a "gun" KP player like Reiwoldt, or backmen like Rutten or Glass, the latter 2 being the type we need badly. If it's a midfielder a Judd or a Kerr. With the Eagles' massive midfield depth there's a chance a potental 100 goalkicker like Fev would actually be more valuiable than Judd to them. I don't want draft picks as they are speculative, risky, and is very unlikely to ever replace a goalkicking FF like Fev (remember Hamill for pick 4 and Cranage.......we got Livo at pick 4!!!). If no-one comes to the party, well, Fev's under contract and stays. Like most footballers he'll come around and end up happy about it simply because they love playing and don't have a choice. Thornton did. New coach, new atmosphere, I'm sure he'd be alright.

In the end I prefer Fev to stay as 80+ goal FF are like gold.

I personally hope Lappin stays. I think we can get a few more years of him under a new coach. He's one of those types who could probaly play until he's 34-35. His experience would be valuable too in a young side if we lose a couple at year's end. If Kouta and Lance, given his knee, go, then so be it.

What's the Collingwood model ? They have two Development Coaches. We will have the same in 2008. The Pies are still affiliated with Williamstown and their kids still play with plenty of experience down at Willy town. The Pies aren't making tooooo much noise about going alone in 2008.

If... and I say if....... the Blues go standalone next year the kids will still need some experience to guide them in the VFL. If you get rid of ALL the 25-28 yr olds then the VFL team will be 98% 20 yrs and under. The development of our kids will not only be about the Coaches and development staff it will be about how they play their footy in the VFL.

Regards Cazzesman

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It''ll be seasons end before he even gets close to that goal......

Then consider Lance playing at 8 Kg's lighter next season on a minimal contract, especially when he wouldn't (notice how i did'nt use the word couldn't) do it on a big contract..

Piss him off!

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So if a player gets delisted its disrespectful?
Dunno how we manage lists Cazz.

The problem with both of these blokes is we used picks on themn that could have been used on a kid.
Id rather have D Pearce than Saddo.

I dont hate Saddo.. lovely guy... but he cant play at a level required.
There is no point keeping blokes like that on our list when we can just pop them on our CFC VFL list instead.
They give you nothing on an AFL list!!!...

Keep em on the VFL list and im happy.

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Caz,

If what you are saying is correct about the rookie draft then maybe we should be turning our attention to trying players from Ireland.

Cazz...does this mean there is a focus this year on drafting 'footballers' as opposed to 'athletes'?

Because it has appeared (feel free to correct me if I am wrong) over the last few years that Carlton has had an inclination to look for athletes, at the expense of some of the footy smarts and skills.

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Bring back the laurel wreath logo!!!

Agree.

That's why I'd keep Skinny Banno Wiggo Young as primarily reserves players/leaders who can set the example for our young draftees.


..oh .. and surely it's 'when ...and i say when' ...the blues go standalone... no more Cramer St ffs!

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Guys and Gals can we please get back onto the topic of Fevola. Numerous threads in the TalkingRecruitment to discuss list mangement.

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I think the way things have unfolded we have tried to mix in both.

Murphy and JK 65/35 Footballers/athlete
Bower 55/45 Athlete/footballer
Edwards 60/40 Footballer/athlete

Gibbs 75/25 Footballer/athlete
Hampston 75/25 Athlete/footballer but at 203cm thats okay he will develope his football.
Grigg 70/30 Footballer/athlete
Austin 65/35 Footballer/athlete
Benji 70/30 Athlete/footballer
Joey 60/40 Footballer/athlete.

So we have tried to get a mix. It's a constant balance/battle. To get speed with proactive footy smarts is the icing on the cake. That is the holly grail. To get skill, speed, endurance, height, mobility and foot smarts is Judd

There are plenty that have a couple of those most sort after attributes but not many have them all so then you have to see what you list needs.

When we were winning we looked quickish. In Freo we looked like a bunch of turtles. Sometimes it's not always about blistering speed (although that helps). Often it is how you run at your best personal speed, where you run to create space behind and where you run into space. That's the proactive smarts that we urgently need.

You see how the game is played at break neck speed. Guys like Jake Williams, who has hands in close as good as anyone, would just get killed in the rush. Not his fault, it's purely genetics. He may get the ball but basically the opposition could exploit his lack of leg speed

The Essendon*/Cats game is a perfect example. The ball goes up and back and from side to side. Players are running at 80% of their total speed for most of the game. It's non stop.

You have to have athletes to play the game or if they are slowish off the mark they have to be running at their optimum speed for the entire time they are on the ground simply to get to contests or create options.

Regards Cazzesman

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Thanks for the response Cazz, interesting to know the thoughts of those on the inside.

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Bring back the laurel wreath logo!!!

CM,

Great news about the appointment of a new development officer, it can't come soon enough.
Then hopefully that should help out what is one of the major problems at the club at the moment which is the lack of real progress in our young kids.
Today was a great example of this problem. I'd love to know how long Grigg was on the ground for today. He makes a mistake and gets dragged and doesn't reappear. Whats that meant to do for a young kids confidence??? Melbourne had a young kid playing his first game today Buckley and he looked as though he'd played about 50 games. Jordon Russell on the other hand looks like a kid bereft of any kind of belief and confidence. With the talent he possess surey we should be expecting a greater output but the poor kid has been crucified by the coach.
So what did you think of Pagans press conference?? Were you happy to hear him blame our kids again today?? He is pathetic coach and a disgrace.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/Sport/Pag ... 40108.html

Regards Cazzesman

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So back to Fev, the question now is whether he will have the meeting with Pagan tomorrow?

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Do you reckon Fev's currency went up or down after this afternoon's match?

What will the mood of Monday's meeting be?

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After watching today's kids play, i must admit We either must have recruited kids who cant play the game or there is something seriously wrong with our Development department......


Bowyer looked one heck of a lost kid today... he had no idea what to do with the ball everytime he got it, whilst Grig found the tempo too much......

ooohhh... what courageous delisting - NOT...

If I was in charge I would have gotten rid of all of these players last year (except for Fev. and Skinny)


Yet another example of poor list management to add to all the other examples.

Anyone - including blind freddy - could see that Whitnall's 2nd half to last year was not up to standard. How they managed to give him the best and fairest is beyond me. In fact, all the best and fairest voting since Pagan has been there has been dubious at best.



Champion data said Whitnall had 39 goals kicked on his last year (they overlooked all the rest when he was playing a "loose man" in defence) - which was the 10th most in the competition. Let's not forget Whitnall played some time in attack too - yet he still was number 10 in the AFL in terms of goals kicked against him.





Fev. is a match winner - he won the game vs Melbourne last year, he won the pre-season cup for us, he won the match vs nth pre-season -kicked 4 goals in 8 minutes, he won the match vs Essendon* .

If the match committee want to get rid of a match winner they better replace him with one who can do likewise - and no..that doesn't mean del santo... and other than judd i can't think of many who are out of contract.
Pavlich... and that is about it.

I doubt that. You have got to put natural development over a season into account. This is no reflection on Grigg but I think Myers would have gone before him. Which at least puts him at around the pick 19 mark.

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