Why is it always next week...maybe?

Why can't we have some sort of action, one way or the other, now?

It's always wait until next week. Next Friday. Another week.

Yeh - when he left Arden Street

OK - there was some slight improvement between Brittain and DP's first year .. Brittain earned us our first spoon, but DP brought us from 16 in 2002 to 15 in 2003 to 10 in 2004. We were happy that he had brought with him his record with the Kangas. But then in 2005 he won us our second spoon, followed by our third the following year. Not saying anything that none of us has not heard - the gain from this was the priority picks in those years. Do we want another PP or do we want to work with and develop the teams we have, the drafts we will end up with, and start winning again?!

We gave Brittain the @r$e when he didn't perform - why, oh why, are we holding onto this flower after so many attempts and failures!? My stance on this is "Yes - do it now" or at least go out like Neale Daniher did, with a shred of dignity.


Sorta kinda what I was trying to say ...

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To be honest Pagan was never that great a coach to begin with. Sure, he had a great reputation with the kids before he started the seniors, and this is what made me remain patient with him because of this. But now I see that his coaching style was ideal for that time, and in his glory days with the Roos, his style was perfect for the team he had. Had he not had Carey, McKernan (when he was decent), Archer, Stevens, Grant, Harvey, Martyn etc he would've been shown up for the one-trick pony that he is. But because he had a team perfectly suited to his one gameplan, he had success.

But the era of Pagan's paddock ended when the 21st Century knocked on our door.

I don't think there's an interview process for a caretaker. They'd just put one in. The interview process is for the coach and assistants. Think the coach may actually be decided.

for what its worth The North Melbourne Football Club could not wait to to see the back of Denis Pagan and basically he was pushed out the door and not as reported poached by John Elliot.

the directors had enough of Denis especially with the cancelation of numerous training sessions to attend race meets.

Denis Pagans biggest hurdle is that he aint got any support from his senior players at carlton.

When at North he had the up most respect and support of the most influential Leaders like Arch, Stevo and Carey and vice versa and a bad word was never spoken of him because of the relationship between them and the backing in for each other.

Carlton lacks the leadership from senior players and with Denis's black and white approach and lack of support from such missing leadership from any senior player, the current playing group are out of control as his dislike has spread like a disease and ther no one there to stamp it out

I have heard that Denis will stay on next year, i don't think he should but am hoping the club will appoint Voss as the Carlton reserves coach for a year and keep denis so that Vossy gets some kind of knowledge and a feel for it.

lets hope your wrong like you normally are melvey

josh kaplan has a much better strike rate

lets hope he is right huh ?!?

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

All i know is the Blues job would be a plum coaching position.

Funny how Pagan took over the coaching from 2003 and was initially recycling and then made to develope (Under duress) and i reckon Our situation in 2007 is the same except we have much better talent than we had in 2003.

From what i can see very little has changed in our on-field situation over the past 5 years and thats a waste of 5 years in the CFC at the end of the day. We have some talented kids but developement has been very poor due to a number of reasons ranging from a coach who refuses to give young players a proper oppertunity unless there a number 1 pick. We have over this season a VFL coach now detached from the main coach. We lack developemental coaches which will be addressed in 2008.

So 2008 spells the perfect oppertunity for a highly respected Young Coach to come in an instill a winning culture in a young and eager list who will lift when given proper backing by the coach.

A new coach will be able to clean the slate clean. We should find out we have more talent than what we currently have been showing due to a coach which has lost all support of the playing group. He will be able to bring his own team bring in a positive plan ... and set up a much more close knit culture.

Being a young list is positive if the kids are given licence to play and bring out the best in them.

Also a new coach will have the benefits of a newly established board who are changing our off field fortunes. A President who wil reward and offer as much as he can to the list to gain success. A CEO with a proven track record and a proven operations manager.

Also from how the season is unfolding more young talent to be brought in as well. Also a new Coach say a Voss may also assist in getting us the chance of trading for a Out of Contract player, as i would believe out of contract players from other clubs would be more kean on coming to the Blues if they new Pagan was gone and especially if they had high respect for the replacment coach.

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losing to the 15th placed side that is missing neitz,green,bruce,bell,yze,wheelan, and more just about says it all. The bloke haslost the support of the players, the board and the supporters.get rid of DP tmrw morning. thanks for nothing.

The move of waite to the backline in the 3rd quarter was the worst tactical move of the year. Please explain our forward line stucture today to me!

You can add Johnstone, Rivers, Moloney, Bartram, Ferguson, Jamar and Petterd for most of the game.

Woeful loss.

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Bring back the laurel wreath logo!!!

Nothing will happen before next Friday.....

The Sydney game looms as a potential 15 goal thrashing now that the Swans have a sniff again. Prepare for the press conference the following Monday.

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Controversy in a good way ... like Sticks goes with him?

Or in a bad way ... as in he says he was told to drop Fev and was against it, or worse still, says he was told to tank?

As an aside, when he goes is Electric Blue allowed to post again?

Thanks for the info Josh.

Hmm, watch this space.

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Thats a good point. No use appointing a caretaker before a likely caning.

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Radar has just started the media frenzy by coming out and saying their is talk that Pagan could be gone this week. Left it until the last 30secs of the morning glory to come out with it

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I've held back as to me sacking coaches is often an ill thought out endeavour.

But my reservatioons that I had when he arrived have simply been proved.

That is - that he has not a great reputation for developing talent. take away the side he began with at North, and about the onyl player to develop during his tenure was Brent Harvey.

At the moment, I see NO real improvement in many of our youngsters. Compare that with other developing clubs and it can't all just be down to 'poor recruiting'.

He has to go no later than Rd 22

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Could i nominate this for Post of the Week..............................

This is EXACTLY why i want Pagan gone. Everybody is quick to roll their eyes at me when i tell them how much this guy is killing my club.
Everybody is always suggesting that it's more the players fault than it is the coach.

This is how i judge Pagan................and i brought up all of these issue's with him last year PERSONALLY!

Nothing.......................NOTHING..,..............has been fixed. Hell, they have BARELY been addressed.

I'll quote it again..............



NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE!

With the exception of trialing Setanta in the Ruck after Cloke went down perhaps, but otherwise we have FAILED to make any improvement on last year and the issues that saw us get flogged week-in, week-out are STILL happening!!!!!!!!!

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In fairness Siegfried, I think we have the answers to your questions:

Who would play FB and CHB: answer Setanta (FB) and Setanta (CHB)
What was going to happen in the ruck: Setanta to play ruck
Forward set up, including CHF: Setanta (CHF) and Setanta (FF)
What kind of game plan we were going to use: Setanta gets the ball, kicks to Setanta who goes long to Setanta (in a 3-1) contest who marks and kicks into the man on the mark, before Setanta applies a crunching takle, Setanta is awarded a free kick and duly slots the goal. Setanta then engages in joyful celebrations.

So the critics out there should pull their heads in. Denis does have a game plan, and his name is Setanta

There you go Siegfried, questions answered. I don't know what your dad was on about