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molesy you cant be so shit scared that youre worried "what if he didnt do anythinbg?"

Thats the same weak mindedness and conservatism thats killing this club.
Players need to be handed a real challenge not wrapped up in cotton wool.. or ostracized... or chastised or demonised!!!

Cos thats what we have been doing.
Weve been shit scared to allow players to step up.. (and of course noone does).. or we have told them "Youre a disgrace .. youll never wear the Carlton jumper ever again".. like we said to one kid not long ago.. in front of his peers and everyone else.
Now this kids come back .. but thats not the point!!!
Not everybody handles Pagans simpleton bullshit!!!
De Luca couldnt be bothered.. and neither could French.. so we went out and paid over the odds for Ackland on a 3 year contract!!!
The guy is a human wrecking ball and the wreck is the Carlton Football Club.

Because he has little nouse in his man management.

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You guys are arguing it would be better to have done it a different way. To not consider what else could happen is the simpleton view. Jarusa you often reply with 'What if's and 'Lets not play hypotheticals' but it is the basis of risk management - this is a live business here and the administration, acknowledged as the best in the business (thats why we have him) have to consider all courses of action.

Playing him in the Bullants whilst he is in this flower mode was pointless and fraught with danger. Trying to hide our issues with him is pointless and without the transparency we have been seeking for so long.

Synbad, this isnt a discussion on Pagan. You can take that to the other 1800 threads where you've expressed the same view.

If you are going to sit there and accuse every single leader of this club of weakmindedness you'll get nowhere. We have a new administration which is completely different to what we had to withstand last year, and for years before that. As for killing this Club, take a look around, we are on the rebound in a big way off-field, yet you are still scaremongering and blowing this into one of your monologues. How is suspending him being shit-scared? Stop throwing these negative sentiments into an argument where they dont belong.

As for Deluca (is 'Synbad' 'segue' in another language?), he had the choice of 2 careers and chose 1 that he enjoyed more. Absolutely irrelevant.

That's the irony. We all hope he would do that. But then, if he does, what's to say he won't crack it next season? He repented last season and played magnificently. But what if 2007 was his last season of his contract and this issue occurred? He would be pretty disillusioned and every chance of calling it quits with CFC and walking away for nothing. THAT, is what I am afraid will happen next year if he came back on Monday saying he has repented.

We simply don't know what his fickle mentality will be next year...I don't wanna pour cold water on the possibility that he will come back next Monday repentant...but I am very pessimistic about next year. I don't care about how he is in 2007...it's next year that I am worried about.

The only other alternative I can think of, is to (now hear me out), extend his contract for one more year beyond 2008 on a heavily reduced salary (maybe a way to prove that he wants to stay a blue). That way, we can assess him for another year. If he still doesn't perform in 2008, trade him. By that stage though, his trade value will have decreased since it would have been 2 years that he has underperformed and older. But this suggestion is ONLY to appease the Fev fans out there who can't see the TRADE FEV NOW logic. Ball is in his court, if he is fair dinkum about the Blues, then he may accept.

My view is that we should trade Fev now UNLESS we know for ONE HUNDRED PERCENT that he will be a good 5 year player for us (which I don't think anyone can guarantee).

Anyway, I am just saying the same old thing over and over again. Sorry Siegfried...I tried to hold back, but can't seem to.

Well, I will be happy to cop sh*t if I am proven wrong on Fev. It will be a win for me regardless.

Yeah he did.. a couple of weeks ago he made his way to England .
Thats fantastic.. but alot of players choose to play professional football AND have a real career.

But trust me .. he was burnt!.. just as Barnaby was.

Its not about anything else but man management!
Were fossils...thats how we go about our management.
Our list management and our players minds.

Fevola should have been lumped with some responsibility this weekend.
FF for the Bullants.
Not treated like hes the devil himself!

That would have had balls....!!!.. making him decide on the field along with all his younger teamates.

Given some responsibility!!!!

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Sounds like you are doing a job interview molsey.

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What is Fev was given responsibility in the VFL and he buggered it up is what we think molesy is debating.


Look responsibility.. real responsibility has been taken away from the players.. because Pagan doesnt trust them.

Thats what happens.... we end up with an unresponsible football club..

Cos what if we made Fev accountable by joining the lesser names in the VFL this weekend and given him a REAL challenge.. and he buggered it up???

Get real!!!

Weak!!!.. just as the pathetic decision to deminise him was.
The person who needs the scrutiny.. and you might have noticed.. didnt get it is Denis!!!

Thats what my beef is!!

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Dont remember Fev being found hiding in his wardrobe by the police either or having problems with dodgy greyhound business...

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i have to agree with Synbad here, is Fev the only player who would get a week off for playing bad?

People are applauding the decision because it puts the team ahead of any individual but that individual gets treated differently to everyone else :S

Well said....I agree, treat him like a normal player and drop him to the Bullants...dont call a media conference and hang a for sale sign on him.....

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plugger didn't need to argue with the umpires ... when he was frustrated he just charged someone or elbowed them in the face with no recourse.

Fev hasn't been suspended for playing badly, he's been suspended for behaving badly. There is a huge difference.

People forget... if you kiuck 100 goals in a season now its like kicking 15o when Dunstall Lockett were around!!!
The forward line is jam packed with defenders and bodies... asnd the ball moves up the ground much more slowly.

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I am just asking myself how people can make so many judgements in regard to the handling of Fev issue without knowing all the details - mind boggling.

I don’t understand this “demonisingâ€

One of the biggest criticism's of the last administration was a lack of transparency. The current administration has been completely transparent in its dealing with Fev.

Secondly, announcing it on the Monday gave Fev time away from the club to consider his future. Can you imagine the speculation if Fev had of missed training this week, and then finally if we'd have dropped him?

This approach has made it CRYSTAL CLEAR to Fev why he's been suspended. He could have viewed being dropped as an over-reaction to not kicking a bagful for a while.

In terms of potential to turn Fev around, this was the only approach. Now that might be to turn him arounf for 8 weeks to maximise his trade value, or it might be to try and keep him as a one club player. I suspect the club isn't even sure yet. But either way, this was the best solution to the Fev issue.

Thge clun would have concerns about Fev playing in the Ants with a young playing group???

Get real!!!... if thats the case.. sack him now!!!
Demonising isnt whats happened????....
Well why not do it with Houla..Kouta.. T Bird and others???
All of them stand there with hands on hips.... and bad body language.
To me its all spawn from playing under the frustrating gameplan for an extended period of time...
Pagan is a murderer of players ... if he keeps playing Gibbs in the bacpocket with a 1 to 4 ratio of huge floggings over a period of time.. Gibbs will be a basketcase too...

Pagan is the root of most of our problems.

When hes sacked id start working back from there and assess the players from that point on.

In the meantime he is wrecking almost everything he touches.

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Apparently Feva met Swann today and told he wants to STAY.

I hope to god that its true.

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OHKAAAYY...............an amendment......I never saw Jason Dunstall spit the dummy.....ever.

I remember the Coodabeens saying how boring Dunstall was...."lead out....mark....kick goal"

Richmond sent Richo to the VFL under fairly similar circumstances.