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funny that cos i hear there was a massive beat up by channel ten


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There's been a lot of discussion in these pages about discipline. I was just reading an article on the 70s for heritgae round on the AFL website, and came across Scott Palmer's 10 characters of the 70s. In the list was this...

http://www.afl.com.au/Season2007/News/N ... wsId=46530

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9. JOHN GOOLD
Carlton was really the team to look at. They wanted to win so much. Barassi instructed his team to train in full Carlton gear. They looked immaculate, 100 per cent from top to bottom. Goold was a fashion-plater: he ran a clothing company, he was a fashion designer. One night at training he had a hole in his sock just above his boot. Barassi abused him in front of the whole team. Goold had to run off the ground and put two Band-Aids across the hole. That’s how disciplined Carlton was. It made front page of The Sun with a photo of Goold running, and a breakout picture of his sock and a Band-Aid. That’s how Barassi held the team together and installed discipline.


How do you reckon Fev would have gone under Barassi?

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dont think Fev likes holes in his socks

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Kick some arse Caz.

Unless you are in the inner sanctum like Caz is, you don't know what you are talking about and don;t assume there is a conspiracy plot behind everything that is going on.

If Fev pops up on The Footy Show tomorrow night with an exclusive for that short little man that works for them with no neck, I will go ballistic.


Based on our recent history I would say our inner sanctum doesn't know what they're talking about nor doing.

Lets redraft Campo
Lets not trade Lance
Lets make Lance captain.
Lets get Ackland and give him a 3 year deal.
etc etc etc...

Regardless of who players want as captain .. it makes no difference.
A Press conference to turf out Fev was a disgraceful way to man manage a guy who has been one of the few shining lights this club has had in the last 5 years.
The on the spot press media thing was ridiculous.
I notice a guy putting in his first post on the subject.. Hi Swanny.. :wink:

(The whole he will walk out at the end of the year and leave us with nothing argument is what officialy the club thinks. )
absolutely gutless!!!

Now how about coming up with some answers on how to man manage better than we have been???

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There is only one person that dictates how people will treat Fev and thats Fev. Fev alone is responsible for his suspension the rest is semantics.

The fact that his team mates voted in the manner they did speaks more about how they perceive things then any of the shit thats speculated here.

I also dont understand why the club is being criticised, a line in the sand was drawn and done quickly.

FFS analyse anything to the enth degree and there are pros and cons. Fact is the same board that has done so many good things like smashing cuurent debt, hotels etc etc is now in the microscope, give us a break.

Fev is a sublime talent, a gun, a franchise player. Hes also extremely well paid and at times consistently off his head (not in the Cousins way) on a grandiose scale (and im not referring to irish barmen antics who i couldnt give a flying flower about)

Fev is a character and a good human being its just sometimes respect for the club and his team mates iand supporters is not what it should be.

Please come back Fev, you know what you have to do, the majority of Australia does it when they get out of bed, pull their pants on and go to work each and every day, youre not that different :wink:


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Elwood Blues1 wrote:
I'm not assuming or believing anything...Caz is in the inner sanctum and I respect his opinions and I'm sure he knows plenty more about Fevola and his movements than most however the facts are that Fev was on his way to Richmond if a deal could have been brokered and that Denis the father was happy to trade his adopted son for the right price.
Miller made an offer but Carlton deemed it not enough and contact ended there..Miller said so much on SEN......why is so hard to believe that Fevs problems have not given the club an easy way out to do similar this time with some handy names like Dal Santo and Judd out of contract..
There seemed little interest in playing him in the ressies to gain form and respect but plenty of interest in letting the football world know he is on the market.......and in reality he is our only player of worth as far as trading goes.
My own personal view is that some of the clubs powers at be are happy with having a excuse to be able to trade Fev and that they view some of those others players out of contract as better value and less trouble....


Elwood lets keep it in perspective. 18 months ago Miller wouldn't even put pick 8 on the table for Fev and the club, as disfunctional as it was 18 months ago, turned him down. That's not a bad thing, it's a good thing.

18 months later, and for all his faults, Fev is twice the player that he was when he was last on the trade table (rightly it seems).

We didn't sell a half-proven Fev at a fire sale price last time round when Richmond was the only serious bidder. This time round, if it comes to it, we will reap the benefits of that since it appears there are already 3 or 4 interested clubs. One of them will pay a premium and we won't have to deal with Fev's nonsense any more.


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i dont want fev to leave, but i dont want his onfield petulance either.


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Those who don't want a trade involvind Dal Santo may not have to worry for much longer...

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/ ... 88,00.html

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NICK Riewoldt and Nick Dal Santo will reject huge offers from rival clubs to stay at St Kilda, with Riewoldt tipped to cross the $1 million mark in football earnings.

Their manager, Ricky Nixon, has officially put offers to the Saints and is awaiting a response, which could come back as early as next week.

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Although Adelaide cautiously intertested...

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/ ... 88,00.html

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ADELAIDE has flagged its interest -- albeit with caution -- in luring star Carlton forward Brendan Fevola, a Coleman Medallist, to West Lakes.

As speculation mounts he could be leaving the Blues, the Crows have joined at least two clubs -- West Coast and the Western Bulldogs -- to consider trading for Fevola.

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Synbad wrote:
A Press conference to turf out Fev was a disgraceful way to man manage a guy who has been one of the few shining lights this club has had in the last 5 years.



As much as Fev has been a shining light, he has also been the embarrassment to the club with all of his dummy spits and off field indescretions. You choose to only remember the good Fev, it's a pity that we only have good Fev about 30% of the time.
I love Fev and want him to stay with the club, but like a mother disciplining a child, I won't undermine her and support her decision otherwise the message doesn't get through. Likewise I will not undermine the club and it's about time that he got a good smack.


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"And we would want to make some very clear and comprehensive assessments about his ability to fit. "Given one club (Carlton) has needed to take disciplinary action with a player (Fevola) to the extent they have rings a very significant alarm.


Like i said ... hopeless salespeople.

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A Press conference to turf out Fev was a disgraceful way to man manage a guy who has been one of the few shining lights this club has had in the last 5 years.



As much as Fev has been a shining light, he has also been the embarrassment to the club with all of his dummy spits and off field indescretions. You choose to only remember the good Fev, it's a pity that we only have good Fev about 30% of the time.
I love Fev and want him to stay with the club, but like a mother disciplining a child, I won't undermine her and support her decision otherwise the message doesn't get through. Likewise I will not undermine the club and it's about time that he got a good smack.


Lets get some things straight here.
Is Fev the embarsssment or is it the performances?

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Gone on hols with alex & kids let hope she can talk some sense into him & he comes back rearing to go monday morning. Unfortunately i doubt this will happen :(

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Synbad you a great historian of the club can you tell me or even think of another player apart from Angwin who has be as big a Nob head as what Fevola has been . For the life of me I cant remember another player who sooked as much as this bloke does .

Maybe instead of suspending him for a week they should have double his ADHD meds

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Synbad wrote:
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A Press conference to turf out Fev was a disgraceful way to man manage a guy who has been one of the few shining lights this club has had in the last 5 years.



As much as Fev has been a shining light, he has also been the embarrassment to the club with all of his dummy spits and off field indescretions. You choose to only remember the good Fev, it's a pity that we only have good Fev about 30% of the time.
I love Fev and want him to stay with the club, but like a mother disciplining a child, I won't undermine her and support her decision otherwise the message doesn't get through. Likewise I will not undermine the club and it's about time that he got a good smack.


Lets get some things straight here.
Is Fev the embarsssment or is it the performances?


Both.

Grabbing a guy in a headlock whilst representing you COUNTRY is something of a major embaressment.

His constant dummy spits and total lack of effort/passion when thing don't go his way is a very embarassing performance.


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Synbad wrote:
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"And we would want to make some very clear and comprehensive assessments about his ability to fit. "Given one club (Carlton) has needed to take disciplinary action with a player (Fevola) to the extent they have rings a very significant alarm.


Like i said ... hopeless salespeople.


Do you really think that other clubs wouldn't have had exactly the same question marks about Fev if he had been dropped without a presser instead of being suspended with a presser?

Other clubs aren't stupid. The whole football world knows exactly where Fev is at, and this 'episode' will have made diddly squat difference to that.

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Steve_C7 wrote:
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A Press conference to turf out Fev was a disgraceful way to man manage a guy who has been one of the few shining lights this club has had in the last 5 years.



As much as Fev has been a shining light, he has also been the embarrassment to the club with all of his dummy spits and off field indescretions. You choose to only remember the good Fev, it's a pity that we only have good Fev about 30% of the time.
I love Fev and want him to stay with the club, but like a mother disciplining a child, I won't undermine her and support her decision otherwise the message doesn't get through. Likewise I will not undermine the club and it's about time that he got a good smack.


Lets get some things straight here.
Is Fev the embarsssment or is it the performances?


Both.

Grabbing a guy in a headlock whilst representing you COUNTRY is something of a major embaressment.

His constant dummy spits and total lack of effort/passion when thing don't go his way is a very embarassing performance.


So Fev grabbed a guy in Ireland in a headlock and you were embarassed???

:lol:

As for SydneyBlue.. you can say the same thing about Scotland slapping out two women...
Lets get rid of him too..

Look i ttink the the real knobheads are people who think that on a list of forty.. youre not going to get dumb people.. smart people.. naughty people.. etc..

And youre going to have this standardised behaviour by forty different personalities and theyre all going to be capable of playing fantastic football too.


Again... im not condoning Fevola.. im shitted off with how we approach things. If we want to trade him there are smarter ways of doing it.
As for man management in my opinion were still dragging our feet.

Some knobheads are comparing what Fevola did to what Didak did!
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Siegfried wrote:
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"And we would want to make some very clear and comprehensive assessments about his ability to fit. "Given one club (Carlton) has needed to take disciplinary action with a player (Fevola) to the extent they have rings a very significant alarm.


Like i said ... hopeless salespeople.


Do you really think that other clubs wouldn't have had exactly the same question marks about Fev if he had been dropped without a presser instead of being suspended with a presser?

Other clubs aren't stupid. The whole football world knows exactly where Fev is at, and this 'episode' will have made diddly squat difference to that.


By that reasoning noone thats ever been dropped has been traded??

Look.. a press conference that was unclear... on the hop.. makes for huge questions!!!

It was DUMB!!!

I dont care if we have to discipline Fev.. but that knee jerk reaction is stupidity!!!.. its not good for Fev and its not good for the club...!!

Its common sense!!!... if you have ever sold anything.. even a Nissan 120Y youd know that...

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But Synbad I cant ever remember a player who has been constantly in the media over something be it his off field incidents or his attitude on field . I have never seen a bloke like this before - Richo pails into insignificance compare to Fevola's antics and in all my years of watching Carlton I cant think of another like him there is always talk about him sledging umpires and fellow players his constant bad body language he is forever being dragged .

It a shame cause his got a bit of talent

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I am not Swanny Synbad... :wink:

I am, however, happy with how he's handled it. Fev's the most open book in the league - no action the club could take would change another club's opinion on hm, positive or negative.


**EDIT - I should qualify that last statement - I am referring to the club either dropping or suspending Fev having no impact on his trade value.


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