Exactly....Would be wanting a bit more than just Dal for Fev At least a 2nd rounder.

In my opinion.. were digging ourselves into a hole.
The Fev thing should not have been handled the way it was.
In my opinion.. and time might prove me wrong.. were doing this to push Fev out .. and bring in Judd.
In my opinion... Judd will stay...
In my opinion we will have created the damage and then downsized our target to DalSanto.. (Who i KNOW) were VERY interested in.
In my opinion.. a Fev for a Dal Santo trade is a massive mistake!

I know there are alot of my own opinions in there but lets see how this thing unravels...

The press conference and doing things through Dave Hughes are laughable!!!...

You can fine Fev..`make him play through the ressies..but state why youre doing it....not in a press conference.. and then have to cover our arses by leaking stuff to Dave Hughes... what we did was entirely stupid!!!
I thought we were now beyond that kind of set up...

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The club has to be strategic about this. The way the whole thing has been handled is to dangle a little bait to the other clubs. CFC is letting them know that it is not prepared to tolerate Fev's attitude anymore, so we're suspending him. HOWEVER, if he wants to change his attitude, we just might entertain the thought of letting him wear the Blue jumper again.

We are letting the other clubs know that we call the shots. We can either trade him, or we can keep him. If you want him based on what you know about him already, give us your best offer. If not, @#$%&! off and he stays a Blue.

Now, this has whet the appetite of the other clubs. They will be thinking, "there is a chance we might be able to snare Fev during trade period".

If the club was to come all out and hang out Fev's dirty laundry in full, it may work against them in not getting the VERY best value out of Fev come trade time (remember, his onfield behaviour is out there for all to see so it won't affect his trade value...but anything outside of that others may not know except for the club, so there is a chance THAT MAY affect the trade). So, they've let the public know that his onfield behaviour has been disappointing, which is the reason they're dropping him for this week. But who knows, it might've been something else which the club is not willing to divulge.

I believe the club is doing the right thing strategically...dangle a little bait in front of the other clubs, and let them decide if they want him or not.

Why does the club have to do anything but come trade week.. organise a trade thats in our favour ???

They dont need press conferences and hoo ha!!!

Its not strategic its stupid!!!

again.. its taking us to the past.

They could have disciplined Fev by dropping him and playing him in the Bullants.
The press conference for "on field issues" is over the top and the only thing it does is ignites speculation.. which is negative for a trade!

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Agree 100% there...we would be stupid to do a direct Fev-Dal Santo trade.

Not sure why you are so pissed off at the way it was handled Synners.

The press conference was to say to Fev - WAKE UP SON, YOU ARE WASTING YOUR POTENTIAL AWAY. It was nice and loud and over the top but that was the intent.

Being our marquee player does not make him better than the others and until Fev can contest the ruck, then clear the ball and then kick it to himself for a goal, he will always be one man in a team of 22 players.

And whoever mentioned that what if Fev had kicked the 80 metre goal and inspired the team to a come back that he would lauded as a champion, you are missing the flowering point.

There was player [Murphy] waiting for Fev to pass it. He behaved like a child and now he is being smacked.

It's called tough love.

The alternative would be what Wallsy did at the Brisbane Bears when he wanted a player disciplined - have all the other players surround the transgressor and beat the bejesus out of him!

Not sure if our guys wouldn't mind the opportunity to have a crack at him.

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I can't see too many AFL coaches being swayed significantly by media speculation. They've got 8 years of Fevola's history to look at, nothing that's come out this week is really new or different.

Don't get too worked up about this one Synbad, the press conference/no press conference thing is a small detail in what will probably be a story that drags on until trade time no matter what the outcome.

I think that is the whole point. The press conference is aiming to ignite interest and speculation. Greg Swann has come out and said that Fev may never play for the Blues again. Now, if that is not igniting speculation and interest, then I don't know what is.

With all due respect to the ppl here who are asking why have a press conference hoo ha etc, don't you think it's obvious? Greg Swann has said, "there is a chance he won't play for the Blues again". How much clearer do you need it to be that we are considering trading him?

The point is not to publicly embarrass him to wake him up. The point is to say we are ready to trade him, make us an offer we can't refuse. And it's worked, clubs have come out saying they are interested in him. I am sure they are fielding offers atm.

Seriously, the whole Fev thing has been blown out of proportion.

the shoe thing with two mins to go all makes sense now. When your down by 77pts you don't really expect to go back on the field. There are 3 other players on the bench.

It was a minor mistake.

So it wasn't the 100m penalty or the back chat to the umpires, it was the fact he took his shoes off with two mins to go in the game.

The coach looking for a smoke screen over 2 consecutive loses over 77points in two weeks. He got it with Fev.

No wonder why they wouldn't divuldge what Fev has done wrong that game because all he did was take his shoes off.

If you watch other sports around the world, for example NBA, you see that every game.

Instead of thinking of trading Fev, how about we get rid of the problem, which is Pagan and keep the best forward in the league.

there is a reason most clubs would want a player like him.

It is easier to get a good midfielder like del santo, but even harder to get a key forward.

Problem in this is Pagan
Anser get rid of him
New coach will discilpine Fev and actually make him feel wanted.

So far there has been expressions of interest from the Bulldogs (for obvious reasons) and the Eagles. The Crows were talked about too, but the fact that Ricciuto has come out and basically said they wouldn't want him speaks volumes for why this problem has been dealt with as it has. Not everyone sees him as just a prodigious talent, they see the pain in the arse as well.

If you think that it was solely for this reason then you are deluding yourself Goltzenberg.

It just baffles me that ppl are saying this is all Pagan's fault. How is Fev's problem a byproduct of Pagan? Fev is 26 yrs old who gets paid $500K a year. If you think the way he is acting is because of Pagan, then I am really lost for words...you must so be in awe of Fev that you cannot see the difference between black and white. Not having a go at you, but I am just astounded that you can blame this on Pagan.

And by the way, if it wasn't for Pagan, you wouldn't have a Fevola to be so awe struck with.

I thought the Club handled this masterfully for a number of reasons :
They have quietly tried to get Fev TO PULL his head in and he hasnt
They showed real strength with a star player whereas other clubs either cant or wont and dont look ridiculous like the spinmeisters at the Carringbush and West Coast
They tapped into public/ opinion beautifully as the talkback airwaves were full of discussion of fevolas behaviour on sunday and monday
They have shown the other players that no one is indispensable or above the club
They have shown Fev that he is not indispensable
They have put the onus publically on Fev as to what he wants to do in the future ie knuckle down and be part of the team or go somewhere else
They have advertised publicly that Fev could be trade bait in October and others have already signalled interest

Now can I SAY THAT I have always been a huge Hollywood Fevola supporter even when Brittain was trying to ice him years ago .I HOPE THAT he goes away and thinks about it and comes back and wants to play good football for Carlton.However he needs to commit ,the club has supported him strongly through the dry cleaning incident ,other somewhat incidents and the Irish incident in the off season .He owes the club and supporters big time .
Sadly if he cant or wont commit then lets have the greatest dutch auction we can in respect to a trade in October

That is not the sole reason, but l think the taking the shoe thing off really got up pagans spine.

Reasons:
*Taking off shoes with 2mins to go in game (thought the game was over, honest mistake. Unhappy at Carlton getting flogged two weeks in a row)
*Giving away 50m penalties (Scott West did one on the weeknd and didnt get dragged even)
*Chatting to umpires (every player does it now)
*Going up early to Perth to get climatised. I'm sure he wasnt thinking l will go up there and party before the game. Nothing in having a latenight gamble. (He drank water and lost a hour or two of sleep)
*coming back to melb on seperate plane. (A lot of professional sports people dont travel together. Nothing in it.)
*Showing emotion - body language when upset (Richo at Tigers, everyone loves to see him wear his heart on his chest)

The Pros:
*Tries his guts out there on the field
*Will stick up for his teammates
*3rd Leading goal kicker this year
*Shows emotion out there on the field
*Most marketable athlete at CFC etc

What have l missed?

I think either Pagan or Fev have to go. I dont have many pros for keeping pagan here any longer.

Time to hit the road

No, this is not a minor mistake. When you are one of the (supposed) leaders of a club and you have younger temmates who are looking up to you, EVERYTHING you do is magnified. Would a Buckley, Hird, Judd do that?

When you are leader your actions speak volumes. Leading a group of men involves many things, but doing the right thing every time by your teammates is the most important. Leading doesn't involve taking your boots off when you like, or changing flights when you like, or putting in the effort required when you like.

The core issue here is leadership - we are desperately calling out for onfield leaders and when he was needed most, Fevola let the whole club down. Greg Swann had acted quickly and decisively and in the best interests of the club. Fevola now knows what the boundaries are and he is the type of personality that needs the boundaries clearly articulated. I suspect he will move on at the end of the season, and I would consider any trade we did as a bonus, as I firmly believe he is one of two senior players in the group who are holding up the advancement of younger players by being selfish and worried about self adulation rather than thinking team first. Sometimes you're most skilled players can be a negative. I think the club has finally acted in the best interests of the club and made a defining statement, and hopefully this is the first stage of a longer process and plan being put in place.

In terms of trade, I would look more toward a Travis Boak and perhaps a draft pick if we could get it. He may not be 'established' ad their would be an element of risk but he looks like he is going to be a gun and has real speed. Then I would focus on developing the new leadership group internally. As for the coach, well that's another thread.

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But didn't the tigers do the same thing to Richo last year?

DalSanto's been offered good money by Collingwood.

Like all good marriages come to divorce.

Pagan is the problem.

When the team is getting flogged no one wants to play. You see when the team is up and flying, Fev is not a problem.

If it was a close game or Carlton were infront, Fev would of been on the bench with his shoes on pouncing to get on the field.

4 years of nothing. If you were a businessman and you gave no results for 4 years you would be sacked. We have not improved much at all since Pagan came onboard.

The player FEV is pissed off Carlton are getting flogged and thats why the poor attitude is happening. Get a new coach in their with no EGO and a new gameplan and watch a change on all the players faces.

Right now Fev at the FREO game would of been thinking we are going to be on bottom again for year 2007. Who would wanna be happy hearing the same shit from the same coach for 4 years that has got no results?

Change is better for everyone

C'mon Synbad, me and wrong in the same sentence. Are you feverish???

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