Brendan Fevola suspension discussion

budzy · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:17 am **Posts:** 8128

Cazzesman wrote:

... the other option would have been.....tell lies and suggest Fev was injured and therefore that's why we aren't playing him this week.

You are dreamin if you think that would have worked. The media would have been all over it and the club would have been a laughing stock.

Regards Cazzesman

Iâ€™m sure Fevs got a few niggles that need resting so thereâ€™s no lies etc â€¦and Iâ€™m sure the media wouldâ€™ve been all over a Pagan sacking had thatâ€™ve eventuated, which it shouldâ€™ve.
The club shouldâ€™ve pulled Fev aside on Monday morning and told him to stay away for a week and get his niggles right and more importantly his attitude in tune with club expectations, then, if after that week he wasnâ€™t prepared to commit as required then theyâ€™d have to take further serious action and go public.

Pagan out and Fev given a final ultimatum in the same week ...that's strength & conviction.

chubbyruss · **Joined:** Tue Sep 05, 2006 8:59 am **Posts:** 8631

budzy · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:17 am **Posts:** 8128

If Fev really had the shits over this could he do a Mal Michael type retirement angle to get out of his CFC contract?

Warby · **Posted:** Tue Jul 03, 2007 6:22 pm

I think what the Clubs done is probably the best way to go given Fevs penchant for sooking and sulking when things don't go his way.

Now he's got a few days to debate his future; and if he decides to go; we've got a 26 year old Coleman Medallist as valuable collateral.

bluekettle · **Joined:** Wed Feb 14, 2007 11:42 am **Posts:** 336

budzy wrote:

Cazzesman wrote:

... the other option would have been.....tell lies and suggest Fev was injured and therefore that's why we aren't playing him this week.

You are dreamin if you think that would have worked. The media would have been all over it and the club would have been a laughing stock.

Regards Cazzesman

Iâ€™m sure Fevs got a few niggles that need resting so thereâ€™s no lies etc â€¦and Iâ€™m sure the media wouldâ€™ve been all over a Pagan sacking had thatâ€™ve eventuated, which it shouldâ€™ve.
The club shouldâ€™ve pulled Fev aside on Monday morning and told him to stay away for a week and get his niggles right and more importantly his attitude in tune with club expectations, then, if after that week he wasnâ€™t prepared to commit as required then theyâ€™d have to take further serious action and go public.

Pagan out and Fev given a final ultimatum in the same week ...that's strength & conviction.

The Club must have said that to him a dozen times, as pose enough is enough.

blueslander · **Posted:** Tue Jul 03, 2007 6:38 pm

After having read all 26+ pages of posts on this topic a couple of things are evident.

1. All Carlton fans want to see Fev do the team thing and realize his potential.

2. We are desperate to find a scapegoat for our performance over the past few weeks. Be that the coach, the administration, the players or Fev.

Living in Denmark, I am not subject to the mass of media speculation around our players or club, but yet thanks to my friend in Darwin I get to see all CFC games on DVD a few weeks after they are played.

We all know that Fev wears his heart on his sleave. He has done this always and we know that. We can either live with that fact or say that it is not good enough and trade him. It is as simple as that. He is never going to pull his head in, he is never going to not show emotion on the field and we might as well just accept that fact.

It is that same passion that saw him run through the Collingwood huddle as a show of support for the young guys. It is that same passion that saw him take the Essendon* game by the scruff of the neck.

In nearly all the games I have seen him play this year he has done the team thing. He has run, presented constantly when double/triple/quadriple teamed.

He has been starved for opportunities due to injuries to key personnel and for the most part he has worked his arse off doing the 1%.

He attracts a large number of members and is the only Carlton player that is truly capable of turning/winning a match off his own boot.

If he wanted the captaincy as so many have suggested, of course his disappointment of not being offered it would be evident to the group. He is never going to be able to keep his emotions in check.

We are not getting killed each week because of Fev, there are many, many, many more players in our team that should come under scrutiny for their performance than Fev.

To use a medical analogy, I see Fev like a symptom of a disease. If you focus on the symptom, you will never truly diagnose the real problem.

Carlton still has a very mediocre list. From our senior players, Fev is the only one that I say makes a difference week in and week out (apologies to Nick Stevens, but I am not taking him into consideration due to injury).

The decision by the club to suspend Fev for a week indicates to me that the club is no longer prepared to tollerate his attitude, so as far as I can see, the only thing left to do now is admit that someone as colourful as Fev has no place at our club and find an appropriate trade as he WILL NEVER CHANGE - Accept it!

As for the way the club handled this, well, for many years we supporters have being calling for transperancy at the club and now we have it. Again you can't have it both ways.

As I am yet to see the Freo game I can not comment on his actions during that game, but I would hate to think that one of the leagues best footballers is traded because of a poor performance and showing his disappointment, especially if the rumours that he is carrying an injury are true.

Anyway, that's my two cents worth...

Cazzesman · **Posted:** Tue Jul 03, 2007 6:45 pm

budzy wrote:

Cazzesman wrote:

... the other option would have been.....tell lies and suggest Fev was injured and therefore that's why we aren't playing him this week.

You are dreamin if you think that would have worked. The media would have been all over it and the club would have been a laughing stock.

Regards Cazzesman

Iâ€™m sure Fevs got a few niggles that need resting so thereâ€™s no lies etc â€¦and Iâ€™m sure the media wouldâ€™ve been all over a Pagan sacking had thatâ€™ve eventuated, which it shouldâ€™ve.
The club shouldâ€™ve pulled Fev aside on Monday morning and told him to stay away for a week and get his niggles right and more importantly his attitude in tune with club expectations, then, if after that week he wasnâ€™t prepared to commit as required then theyâ€™d have to take further serious action and go public.

Pagan out and Fev given a final ultimatum in the same week ...that's strength & conviction.

If I could be bothered going back through the posts leading up to the last Board elections would I find any posts from you wanting the board and the club to be open and transparent ????

Don't let your dislike of Pagan get in the way of the current Fevola issue. The two are not mutually inclusive no-matter what you think. If you think Greg Swann would use Fev as some kind of smoke screen for any issues with Denis Pagan then you are misguided.

Regards Cazzesman

4thchicken · **Joined:** Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:44 am **Posts:** 3136

dannyboy wrote:

if he rocked up and said that I'd trade him.

agree - pagan is going to be gone anyway (99%) however an individual player should never be in a position to dictate those terms. Irrespective of what happens to fev, I'd still sack pagan though

TheGame · **Posted:** Tue Jul 03, 2007 6:49 pm

chubbyruss wrote:

That arsehole Dwayne Russell bagging CFC re Fev suspension. He says filth have done a much better job with Diadak.

Dwayne Russell is an absolute Tosser.

Fev's manager on 3AW at 6.30pm
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He's a tosser but he's right.

TheGame · **Posted:** Tue Jul 03, 2007 6:58 pm

dannyboy wrote:

the thing is, Jezza had a prime

Fev hasn't, and may not.

You blame Pagan for this - and every other flower thing since The snake (aka Denis)
ruined Adam's dalliance with Eve

I reckon Fev has actually been fantastic for us so what exactly am I blaming Pagan for? He's been the only exciting thing we've had at the club for half a decade.

Warby · **Posted:** Tue Jul 03, 2007 7:07 pm

TheGame wrote:

dannyboy wrote:

the thing is, Jezza had a prime

Fev hasn't, and may not.

You blame Pagan for this - and every other flower thing since The snake (aka Denis)
ruined Adam's dalliance with Eve

I reckon Fev has actually been fantastic for us so what exactly am I blaming Pagan for? He's been the only exciting thing we've had at the club for half a decade.

....the Club is greater than.........etc.

budzy · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:17 am **Posts:** 8128

Cazzesman wrote:

budzy wrote:

Cazzesman wrote:

... the other option would have been.....tell lies and suggest Fev was injured and therefore that's why we aren't playing him this week.

You are dreamin if you think that would have worked. The media would have been all over it and the club would have been a laughing stock.

Regards Cazzesman

Iâ€™m sure Fevs got a few niggles that need resting so thereâ€™s no lies etc â€¦and Iâ€™m sure the media wouldâ€™ve been all over a Pagan sacking had thatâ€™ve eventuated, which it shouldâ€™ve.
The club shouldâ€™ve pulled Fev aside on Monday morning and told him to stay away for a week and get his niggles right and more importantly his attitude in tune with club expectations, then, if after that week he wasnâ€™t prepared to commit as required then theyâ€™d have to take further serious action and go public.

Pagan out and Fev given a final ultimatum in the same week ...that's strength & conviction.

If I could be bothered going back through the posts leading up to the last Board elections would I find any posts from you wanting the board and the club to be open and transparent ????

Don't let your dislike of Pagan get in the way of the current Fevola issue. The two are not mutually inclusive no-matter what you think. If you think Greg Swann would use Fev as some kind of smoke screen for any issues with Denis Pagan then you are misguided.

Regards Cazzesman

Yes I'm all for the board being open and transparent ..and I can't see above where I've said that they wouldn't. Give Fev a week to heal his niggles before a final ultimatum re his attitude then go public with the issue if he's not on board.

Yes the Pagan issue is a seperate issue from Fevs but both could've/should've been dealt with by now IMO.

As for Greg Swann, he WAS Eddie's right hand man for some time so I'm sure he's a very good 'politician' ...love RP though :wink:

camel · **Posted:** Tue Jul 03, 2007 7:17 pm

murraycray wrote:

Whether Brendan stays or goes is I believe, a moot point. What I am delighted with , is the strength of conviction shown by the club over the past 24 hours. It's been along time coming.
The main thing to come out of yesterdays is that Greg Swann, in one foul swoop restored the club's self respect and credibility.
No longer will we accept anything less than total commitment. Personally I would love to see BF knuckle down and produce the form we know he is capable of in a Carlton guernsey. But if that's not to be then we move on.
Yesterday ''Attitude'' returned to the Carlton Football Club. A message was also sent to those smartarse club's who have more than happy to dance on our grave.

LOOK OVER YOUR SHOULDER BECAUSE WE'RE BLOODY WELL COMING
TO GETCHA.

murray, I moved your thread in here because the self-respect point had been made in here. But I didn't expect the trail of replies to get so lost in all the commotion. Sorry!

FWIW, I agree with your point and if only all the good off-field stuff would eventually translate to, at the very least, stop the floggings I'd be happy.

Self-respect will only go so far if we keep losing so badly.

Warby · **Posted:** Tue Jul 03, 2007 7:21 pm

Thanks camel......I hadn't seen that post which is very, very good.

Siegfried · **Joined:** Fri Jun 24, 2005 12:30 pm **Posts:** 2864

TheGame wrote:

Siegfried wrote:

TheGame wrote:

Goltzenberg wrote:

Am l the only person that has noticed Felova chasing more since the first couple games of the season?

I think he is actually putting in more effort in the games this year then last year.

He always chases hard, the lack of effort is just a myth from people who don't attend games and see pictures of him in the paper with his hands on his hips.

One of the reasons it's taken "8 years to rebuild a footy team" Game is because petulant, childish, selfish players like Fevola were allowed to get away with murder any and every time they wanted to. As others on here have said, this should have been done with Fev years ago...he was lucky he wasn't out the door after 2002.

If really did go to the games you would know very well he's probably the only player that has done his job over the last 5 years. These bullshit holier than thou posts you and others are writing here about making stands and crap may fool the simple minded into following you like sheep but anyone with half a brain knows you're full of it. In the last 5 years he has been our very best player by the length of the Flemington straight, his results speak for themselves.

It's a shame that you seem unable to have a decent discussion on this topic without having to launch a personal attack on a poster who happens to disagree with you.

I have no interest in engaging in a discussion with anyone who personally attacks those who think differently to themselves.

Lance3101 · **Posted:** Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:29 pm

chubbyruss wrote:

That arsehole Dwayne Russell bagging CFC re Fev suspension. He says filth have done a much better job with Diadak.

Dwayne Russell is an absolute Tosser.

Fev's manager on 3AW at 6.30pm
_________________
25 beltings over 60 points- enough is enough

Did his manager have anything of interest to add.

Lance3101 · **Posted:** Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:30 pm

chubbyruss wrote:

That arsehole Dwayne Russell bagging CFC re Fev suspension. He says filth have done a much better job with Diadak.

Dwayne Russell is an absolute Tosser.

Fev's manager on 3AW at 6.30pm
_________________
25 beltings over 60 points- enough is enough

Did his manager have anything of interest to add ??

Lance3101 · **Posted:** Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:31 pm

chubbyruss wrote:

That arsehole Dwayne Russell bagging CFC re Fev suspension. He says filth have done a much better job with Diadak.

Dwayne Russell is an absolute Tosser.

Fev's manager on 3AW at 6.30pm
_________________
25 beltings over 60 points- enough is enough

Did his manager have anything of interest to add ??

bluehotel · **Posted:** Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:42 pm

budzy wrote:

If Fev really had the shits over this could he do a Mal Michael type retirement angle to get out of his CFC contract?

The only reason the Mal Micheal could play on is that the Lions stupidly terminated his contract, becuase he said that was it and he was going to do Papua New Guinea work and not play anymore, without putting in a no play for other teams clause.

They trusted his word that he was finished and he lied. It wont happen to an AFL club again me thinks.

chubbyruss · **Joined:** Tue Sep 05, 2006 8:59 am **Posts:** 8631

Lance3101 wrote:

chubbyruss wrote:

That arsehole Dwayne Russell bagging CFC re Fev suspension. He says filth have done a much better job with Diadak.

Dwayne Russell is an absolute Tosser.

Fev's manager on 3AW at 6.30pm
_________________
25 beltings over 60 points- enough is enough

Did his manager have anything of interest to add ??

Sorry I missed it.

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