I was here first!

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Have been following this thread since I heard the news of a press conference on SEN.
Maybe I'm just tired but nobody has yet to tell me why The Fev has been suspended.

Is this our Children Overboard???

I know that I mentioned this on another thread but is Fev Pagan's Children Overboard a la John Howard???

... and that was in the superdraft.

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Pagan is pretty much gone regardless of what happens to Fev.

Are you a branch davidian? (blind cultist/follower)

Wild conspiracy theory time

It was rumoured that Pratt and Swann had talked to Voss (although Swann denied this). Voss says that he's definately ready to coach and that he has a support team picked out. That sounds pretty organised and pretty advanced.

We lose Whitnall indefinately, we now lose Fev indefinately, both somewhat of our own choosing it seems. It's 13 weeks in and we'd need to win 6 of 9 for Pagan to meet Pratt's preseason target of 10 wins.

That's the background, the theory is this. Pratt and Swann reviewed the club in the break after the Hawthorn mess, and made plans. They've laready stitched up Voss for next year, and Voss wants them to send a message to the playing group. He also wants to see what the youngsters will do.

We've assessed that we are a fair way away still and we want the PP. Pagan is still trying to hang on, so we start to set the rules (eg suspending Fev), forcing the selection of kids. Pagan has no choice but to accept. Given the amount of kids we'll be playing, the lack of Fev and the playing group not playing for the coach, it's likely that this approach will net us the PP. Voss might be too much of a risk that the players will come together and play for him in the first game and snatch a win. It also allows him to finish his media contract and not have a conflict of interest while still being on Brisbane's playing list.

In this (very unlikely!) scenario, we have the coach for next year in place already and are taking the long-term view by trying to not too overtly tank and get the PP. Trading Fev for an experienced (though still youngish) player plus a pick gives us a decent player + 4 picks in the top 20-25 and a great platform for the future.

It will be interesting to see if some of the more established players get the arse this week and we play some young kids!!!

Voss played in 3 premierships built around Lnych, bradshaw and Brown ... i can't see him wanting to get rid of one of the premier power forwards in the competition

Not trying to pick holes, but i think that is wrong, Richmond gave pick 8 to Freo for Polak and pick 13, Freo gave pick 8 (Which they got from Richmond) and Medhurst to the Pies, and the pies gave Tarrant to Freo for Medhurst and pick 8. The pies never had pick 13, that was Freo's, Freo and Richmond basically swapped first rounders and Freo through in Polak to get the deal over the line, this gave them a top 10 pick which they needed to get the Tarrent deal done

Fev + our first pick for Judd

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Fully approve of what the club has done. Sigried has said it best.

For that Fevola apologists who think this will all just go away if we get rid of Pagan, bear in mind that it's already been posted on another site that at least one of the prospective replacements (Ratten) won't take the job unless he can move Fev on because of what he thinks of Fev's antics. God only knows what a real leader like Voss thinks.

There is still time for Fev to get it together, but if we end up at the trade table dealing Fev our obstinance last year over the comparatively less valuable Thornton may end up paying handsome dividends this time round. And with Judd conceivably in play ... and the Doggies with the potential to finish as low as 12th .... it will be an interesting lead up to trade week.

The Age reports today that Fevola organised an up-grade for a few of his team-mates and they flew over early.

They failed to advise the Club of their travelling plans!

You are dreaming if you think West Coast will let Judd go.

I saw the On The Couch interview with Worsfold last night and it was obvious to me that he will do everything possible to hold onto Judd - and I mean everything.

He didn't seem that keen on Fev. either when asked about him.

I luv Fev, but it does seem to me that he does need something that can give him mental stability in times of stress. Whether it is a buddhist chant, or thinking about Jesus or whatever.


I personally think he has improved - I see less acts of petulance compared to two years ago. (excluding arguing with umpires) When he came off the ground due to that 100 m penalty, he didn't get up and hurl things or appear emotional - he was stoney faced. That is an improvement in my books.

I know he still argues with umpires, and that needs to be rectified, but no one is perfect and the rule changes even have Malcolm Blight screaming and ranting.


I just think he just needs to refocus his energy in moments of stress. Mooney is a wild one too - and his form and discipline has improved this year. It can be done - Fev. You are a champion player - don't forget that.

The worst thing Fev. can do is feel sorry for himself - as that is a dark road to travel. He might even meet Darth Vader along the way.

4 names thrown up for Captaincy rotation, Fev included.

He was voted LAST by these guys. See Subi hissy fit for his measured, mature and team orientated response.

There is plenty in this, rest assured.

Good for Worsfold - but at the end of the day if a player decides they want to go home what their club wants pretty much ceases to matter. We've seen that over and over again with Stevens, Headland and the like. With all the crap that's gone on at WC this year if wouldn't suprise anyone if Judd decides to pull the plug on the West. Especially if they bomb out in the finals this year and there is no allure of a three-peat to keep him there.

At that point, given WC are in their premiership window, what are they more likely to want. A couple of skinny 17 year olds?? or a 80 goal a year forward who has 5 good years left in him and will flourish in the wide open spaces of Subi?

I'm not saying it will happen, but until Judd signs on the dotted line I would consider it a possibility. We're in a far stronger position than when we managed to snaffle Stevens. All it would take would be for Judd to want to go home, and Pratt to assure him that the coaching department would be overhauled before he ever had to pull on a boot in anger for the Blues.

The only down side is that Worsfold has actually coached Fev so he knows first hand what a tool he is. But then the Eages side is full of tools so maybe Fev would fit in there fine.

Fair points you make Nightcrawler, I just think that the trade is highly unlikely.

I found your last point amusing. If the Swans have a "no flower" policy - the Eagles have the opposite.

Their tool shed will be short of a few players over the next couple of years, though, as Chick won't have many years left in him and Cousins is on shakey ground.

Delicious irony. Judd could very well want out due to the flower wits he is surrounded with. Who could blame him. Already has a flag in his back pocket, too.

West Coast a cultural fit for the Fev, no doubt.

What do they say about planets being aligned?

Ive often thought that Fevola would fit in well as West Coast. He might have to sell his new restaurant, but on the other hand, he wouldnt be far away from Burswood.

Its probably a simple enough plot with Brendan, a player with a difficult past, who is upset because he wasnt voted as captain - decided to get some players together and fly over early for a session at Burswood Casino, gambling the takings from his Restaurant.

Lost the lot and combined with the fact that he wasnt made captain, had a very bad day at the office, spat the dummy with his team mates and flew back to Melbourne separately.

Then came the press conference and suspension.

Now he is estranged from the club and his team mates and mulling over what to do next.

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I thought Healy made some good comments re Fev. That his future isn't nescessarily 'elsewhere'.

More so that he has to work himself out. Sheahn just wants a trade so he can say he tipped it. But I think Fev may be more value to us than as a trade IF he can get himself in the right frame of mind.

A new coach, new gameplan and a renewed sense of optimism may be as much a key as a new club.

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Spot on Agro.
The club has gone about this in the right way.

Does any know of the rumour at half time in last weeks game where Fevola grabbed Libba by the throat in the rooms??

wouldnt surprise me if true.

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