And on leadership...

All those who wanted Fev to be captain this year, because he had one great season and had behaved for 9 months...

All those who argued so strongly that what he did in Ireland wasn't a big deal, and that he was being victimised...

All those who say we need some discipline at the Club, but protect Fev everytime he is undisciplined...

Maybe if we had put our foot down about this years ago (as the Club finally appears to be doing now), we wouldn't be having this discussion now???

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Mens sana in corpore sano.

Bring back the laurel wreath logo!!!

Methinks we have a WCE troll in here.

To those who continually bag The Fev.....

Good luck as you cheer on Wiggins as full forward.

Fair dinkum you are a hard lot to please.

Like Warnie, we'll miss him when he's gone.

Unlike Warnie, he is going to play for the enemy.

I blame Pagan.

mods delete all my posts regarding the RUMOUR then - i dont care

as i said i have no reason to doubt my source though as dissapointing as it is

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Fevolution probably still wants Fev to captain the club

Are you for real? We don't WANT Fev to go elsewhere, but if it comes to that then we'll put our full support behind it. The ideal situation is that Fev takes this time to straighten himself out and become as good as we know he can be. But the fact of the matter is at this moment in time he is adding nothing to the culture of the club, and his chances are running out, and that if he doesn't clean up his act we all mostly agree that he would be better suited somewhere else.

well after a bit of light reading, ie every damn post in this thread, i will throw in my 2 bob. firstly, there simply must be more to it than his on field performance/attitude/discipline issues. of course i have no insight other than my own feelings and guesses as to what has happened.

i get the feeling though that fev may well have had a very poor reaction to waite being named as captain and not himself. there is little i can say that hasn't already been said.

i just get the feeling that this has been central to the situation. when you add to it that he may (unsubstantiated) have been out on the town in the nights leading up to the game, the possibilty that he may have had a young bloke in toe (unsubstantiated) and his pathetic petulant performance on saturday, i think the club has felt compelled to act.

one thing is for sure a message has been sent loud and clear to the playing group; it doesn't matter who you are, you are part of a team, and no-one is bigger than the team. either pull in the same direction as everyone else, or take some time out to think about it.

is it the right decision? who knows, time will tell. is it pagan deflecting? maybe. is the club starting to put out the feelers? once again time will tell.

there are blokes in place now that have overseen great transformations of footy clubs. we simply must trust that they have an inkling of what they are doing.

all i know is that after 5 years of shit, i just hope that some the latest steps are the first in the right direction.

last thought: fevolution, love the passion mate, but do you barrack for the carlton football club or Brendan Fevola? the club will be here a hell of a lot longer than fev will. as much as i love him, i love cfc 100 times more.

go blues!!!

The fact that the club has the balls to discipline its marquee player in this manner speaks volumes for where this club is at.

Fev may come back a bigger and better player because of it, he might get traded for some very juicy draft picks at the end of the season.

Players on the list realize no-one is above the law and indispensible.

Anyway you look at it the club wins.

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Winston Churchill

Wouldn't it be better to drop Fev and give him a stint in the Bullants for as long as it takes? I pay to go to games and in the last few years the only highlights (apart from the kids coming along) have been watching Fevs kick a bag. So he is a dropkick, we all knew that, but the best discipline is for him to get him to honour his contract to the club and the supporters even if that means playing in the Bullants for the rest of the season...fancy asking a contracted player to assess if he WANTS to play for the club He is a paid professional!

Me thinks this is all a smokescreen, why I don't know but we should be assessing how shit our gameplan, coaching, lack of improvement etc etc before pulling a stunt like this.

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I stole Sheedy's Gatorade...

Simple solution is give Pagan the flick reckon would do wonders for Members / Supporters the Players

Fev did need to be pulled into line and he will have more of an affect that the CFC wont tolerate such poor behavior but Fev is just the vocal echo of what i reckon a lot of the players are feeling towards Pagan

I doubt many of the younger recruits would feel great affinity to Pagan and his bench playing tactics.

I reckon players will be very mixed with mesages between Pagan and Mitch and sure that has had a lot of impact on how the players transistion from the VFL to the Seniors

Both Pagan and Mitch need to go
New coach brings in his own team but is youthful and able to relate to the list and have there instant respect and be united behind the coach

Which is prob why Voss is high on the list of candidates

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CFC TAC Squad everyone over 25 must be traded sounds like Loguns Run

Chief? Siegfried!

Your post brought up a question in my mind...

If the club dropped Fev, and made him play with the Bullants, how do you think he would respond? If he sulked at Cramer St, and didn't perform, what then? He couldn't be promoted, he'd be left languishing in the seconds, and then his currency as a trade would really nosedive. Better they suspend him as they have done, IMHO.

In terms of gameplan, coaching etc, I trust that Swann and Icke will do what needs to be done (as long as Kernahan doesn't have the final say).

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Mens sana in corpore sano.

Bring back the laurel wreath logo!!!

What did Freo pay in picks for Tarrant last year? Bear in mind his background wasn't ideal, and that Fev is a better player, there is no doubt that we'll get interest. And if two or three are interested together then we might just hit pay dirt.

My gut feeling is that we'd get a first and second round pick for him if only one club was interested, even if that ends up being around 10 and 25.

Is it just me or has Pagan just deflected better than a Steve Waugh late cut.
I have not missed a matched this bloke has played.

Call me crazy but I reckon he's a bit better (on and of field) than Bentik, saddington, ackland and co.

For God's sake, leave the boy alone or else he's going to leave us.

The untouchable trade that I just felt was going to happen and also decided to mention here, well I just think that Fevola is at least an evens chance to be that trade. and yes, it might just be the trade that gets us to a new Carlton.

Evens of course are of course a hell of a lot better odds than Brendan would have had at Burswood Casino.

I wonder if there was a rather depressing gambling loss, which of course would put you right off your game.

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My Blue Heaven

on swanns comments - I seem to recall that he stated something along the lines of whether Fev wanted to play the role they wanted in the team (or something similar - perhaps someone can clarify)

Could part of this stem from the fact that we are gradually moving away from being overly fev-centric in our forward thrusts?

poker is 95% skill

not gambling

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Im with you Dom on this one.

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1. Walker,
2. Menzel,
3. Murphy,
4. Gibbs,
5. Judd.

Richmond gave pick 8 to Fremantle for Polak. Fremantle gave pick 8 + Medhurst to Collingwood and Collingwood gave Tarrant to Fremantle. Collingwood gave their pick 13 to Richmond

And to those who are talking about a lack of loyalty, I reckon trading Fev would give everyone a strong chance of a win-win.

Two really good, solid and consistent players might be better for us where we are now than one inconsistent full forward, especially if one of them happened to be an established player. Just for the sake of an example, Seaby and a high pick from the Eagles. We get a young, developed ruckman that might be looking out of Cox's shadow and a high pick. Grab an extra mid in the draft. Now I'm not suggesting that this is fair value either way, but Fev has enough currency to get us one player that we need plus a high pick to grab a future player. This is just one example of a deal that could benefit both parties.

Fev would get a change of scene, might play in a winning side and his new club would get a potential match winner. Fev migh just decide over the next week that this is his preferred option, and then all the hysterics about trading him is meaningless.

I'm not trying to sound heartless, just a realist. Do you think Collingwood supporters miss Tarrant now, and I know there were a few of them that didn't want him to go...

by the way does anyone know if the press conference is available? link anyone?