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I just can't accept how you can suspend a player for onfield performance, has it ever even been done before?




Yes Lance last week


bullshit he was suspended, he's on the injury list.

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They turned a straight forward decision into a media circus.



That was the point. Everything else has failed, so they're trying this. Time will tell whether it's the right decision or not.

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They turned a straight forward decision into a media circus.



That was the point. Everything else has failed, so we'll try this. Time will tell whether it'sd the right decision or not.


but why not just drop him like every other poor performing player in history?

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TheGame wrote:
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They turned a straight forward decision into a media circus.



That was the point. Everything else has failed, so we'll try this. Time will tell whether it'sd the right decision or not.


but why not just drop him like every other poor performing player in history?



Fair question. I can only assume they thought about that as an alternative but decided the problem goes deeper.

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i tell ya wot i am NOT buying a membership anymore, might not even go to another game again this year if Fev doesnt return. Coz of his shit, Fev might not return.


Fevolution,

Did you barrack for Carlton before Fev joined us in 1999?

If the answer is YES...remember that !!

The club is bigger than the individual.

Now if a player like Fev is going to divide this club, with some to 'not return' (as you suggest), then we're better off without any divisive influences, even if that means Fev; not that I want Fev off our list.

If you're worrying about having to change your forum name and as a result lose your aggregated number of posts, I'm sure you can be accomodated by the moderators (not my call).

Don't get me wrong, I love Fev, I love his passion (when he's passionate),but I understand why so many are frustrated by him, including executive level. This decision was not taken lightly, I'm sure.

As you would know, I have stuck up for Fev, and agreed with his abuse towards the umpire. I even warned that something like today would happen if the board/ executive didn't escalate the unfair umpire treatment Fev was receiving. So in part, I blame the coach and the executive for not protecting the player.

BUT, I thought that in the 2 games we won recently and the last 2 games we've been thrashed, Fev was not Fev. He didn't get excited for others kicking the winning scores, when he was used as a decoy, and in the last 2 weeks he has shown bugger all passion. I can't condone that; something seriously is amiss with Fev of late.

I agree Pagan's game plan (if there is one) hasn't done Fev any favours, but mate, there's no need to show a lack of passion for your team and the navy blue jumper (that goes to you and Fev).

Fev hasn't done himself any favours in the last month.

Take it easy, keep your chin up, we're all upset with the position on the ladder and the Fev debacle, but we move on and move forward.

Adapt and overcome.


Excellent post Bondiblue. I have also felt that Fev does not really celebrate our goals (kicked by other players than himself). It seems to me (I may be wrong), that he wants to kick goals himself. Now, that is quite understandable. Everyone loves to kick a goal. But if you are truly a passionate Carlton player, you should naturally feel happy when a goal is kicked, no matter who kicks it. I just don't get that vibe from him.

Maybe it's me being critical. But it's hard to have a team culture when you have someone who wants to be a hero...Fev, prove me wrong. Show some team spirit when you return!


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Think big picture...

It's not about HOW he's reacting.

It's all about WHY he's reacting.

I mean, why would he not want to be at such an exciting place like Carlton being coached to successive wooden spoons by one of the all time coaching legends of the AFL who has turned the team into a group of individuals with a losing culture?

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

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Will he play in the bullants?

interesting ploy. Drop him and his trade value goes south. Suspend him and he remains an erratic talent?

What is his trade value right now? Surely by stating he may never play for CFC again the club has devalued him considerably.


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Will he play in the bullants?

interesting ploy. Drop him and his trade value goes south. Suspend him and he remains an erratic talent?

What is his trade value right now? Surely by stating he may never play for CFC again the club has devalued him considerably.


Think Acker last year - won't matter a twang.


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If Pagan is removed before the trade period, could you imagine a new coach trading Fevola?


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Bit harsh calling Fev selfish......lets go back to the Essendon* game where he ran and chased players in the second half, did all the hard things, motivated other players and eventually won us the game off his own boot.
What has he actually done wrong apart from give away a 100m penalty that was a softish fifty to begin with..

We need a media conference to tell the world we are dropping/suspending a player?, or was it a media performance to deflect other issues and tell the other clubs Fev is on the market?....it was a lousy piece of marketing for the club that has done no good for anyone.

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At some point we have to say FFS - how much more does he have to get away with before the club does something?




How much does Ackland have to do before the club does something?

I saw what could be termed by some a cowardly act - well several of them to be exact - from Ackland other the last few weeks. Is that the way to teach the youngsters- if you back away from the ball, if you do little around the ground you will maintain a position in the team?

How much does Saddington have to do before he is dropped?

How much does Wiggins have to do before he is dropped?

What is good for the goose is good for the gander - do you like that witty phrase, Denis?


Wiggins wears the navy Blue jumper with pride and passion. He may not be as skilled as some but FFS he knows why he is there. He is not there for self-adulation. He is there to contribute as best he can, in whatever way he can, to the team.

Ackland is just not the skilled player that we want or need but FFS he shows more passion for the club and team than Fevola shows, same with bloody Saddington, and the sad thing is that those two blokes have had to come in from other clubs.

Fevola is all about himself and he thumbs his finger and nose at the Club, and, more despicably, at the ONE guy who took a punt on him and didn't sack him when he should have been sacked at the end of 2002.
Lack of respect and lack of commitment make Brendan a flower liability.


Are you taking hard drugs man? Did you see Ackland smile and joke around with the Freo players after the siren had gone? He couldnt give 2 flying flowers about us. You need to get a clue if you think Ackland shows anywhere near as much passion as Fev does.


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INCORRECT. PAGAN HAS NOT BEEN SACKED.

The press conference has nothing to do with the coach.
Ok. So when does this embarrasment to the club get sacked. The last 5 years of not enough? He seems to continually get away with sub-standard rubbish.


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welcomebackcattogio wrote:
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At some point we have to say FFS - how much more does he have to get away with before the club does something?




How much does Ackland have to do before the club does something?

I saw what could be termed by some a cowardly act - well several of them to be exact - from Ackland other the last few weeks. Is that the way to teach the youngsters- if you back away from the ball, if you do little around the ground you will maintain a position in the team?

How much does Saddington have to do before he is dropped?

How much does Wiggins have to do before he is dropped?

What is good for the goose is good for the gander - do you like that witty phrase, Denis?


Wiggins wears the navy Blue jumper with pride and passion. He may not be as skilled as some but FFS he knows why he is there. He is not there for self-adulation. He is there to contribute as best he can, in whatever way he can, to the team.

Ackland is just not the skilled player that we want or need but FFS he shows more passion for the club and team than Fevola shows, same with bloody Saddington, and the sad thing is that those two blokes have had to come in from other clubs.

Fevola is all about himself and he thumbs his finger and nose at the Club, and, more despicably, at the ONE guy who took a punt on him and didn't sack him when he should have been sacked at the end of 2002.
Lack of respect and lack of commitment make Brendan a flower liability.


Are you taking hard drugs man? Did you see Ackland smile and joke around with the Freo players after the siren had gone? He couldnt give 2 flying flowers about us. You need to get a clue if you think Ackland shows anywhere near as much passion as Fev does.


Yes I saw it and my comment stands. If this is the degree to which Ackland is currently showing his interest in the footy club, then all bodes very poorly for what fevola is doing! (and has been doing for flower years mind you).

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Fevolution wrote:
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i tell ya wot i am NOT buying a membership anymore, might not even go to another game again this year if Fev doesnt return. Coz of his shit, Fev might not return.


Fevolution,

Did you barrack for Carlton before Fev joined us in 1999?

If the answer is YES...remember that !!

The club is bigger than the individual...


yeh i did, but then we didnt make shit decisions like we have now.


Hahaha. Yeah, we were always astute at the recruiting table back in the day. And those decisions to cheat the salary cap have really paid dividends. Almost as shrewd as building the Legends Stand that one.

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Fev has Ackland covered for talent and passion.

Fev has been dwn for a month. We don't really know what his attitude out of game day has been. Are there other factors?

I have faith in Greg Swann. He doesnt need to deflect blame from anyone.

The club hasnt devalued fev but what about 9 more performances like Sat. What would that have done to his trade value. Fev is no victm. I felt the umps were doing him wrong but his constant whinging and looking at umps for line ball decisions show a lack of desire.
In the long run this will be better for Fev tha letting him continue his current behaviour

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TheGame wrote:
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They turned a straight forward decision into a media circus.



That was the point. Everything else has failed, so we'll try this. Time will tell whether it'sd the right decision or not.


but why not just drop him like every other poor performing player in history?


Geee.. I dunno.. Maybe it's not just to do with poor on-field performance. At least not the football part.

If it doesn't make any sense that he would be suspended for poor footy, and no one else would, then maybe we could take a good stab at the issue not being just his footy?


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Unless it's something off-field and he would need to have done a Didak, this is a disgrace. Why would you hold a pressor to can you own lad.

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Fev has Ackland covered for talent and passion.

Fev has been dwn for a month. We don't really know what his attitude out of game day has been. Are there other factors?

I have faith in Greg Swann. He doesnt need to deflect blame from anyone.

The club hasnt devalued fev but what about 9 more performances like Sat. What would that have done to his trade value. Fev is no victm. I felt the umps were doing him wrong but his constant whinging and looking at umps for line ball decisions show a lack of desire.
In the long run this will be better for Fev tha letting him continue his current behaviour


Enough of this crap, simmo and murph both look at the ump for frees, and thats fact and if you dont believe watch the freo game.

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Unless it's something off-field and he would need to have done a Didak, this is a disgrace. Why would you hold a pressor to can you own lad.


Because nothing else has worked so far, so they bit the bullett and wnet public. They would not have done it if it was any other player than Fev.

Its kind of like shock treatment - they are hoping to shock the apathy out of him.

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Enough of this crap, simmo and murph both look at the ump for frees, and thats fact and if you dont believe watch the freo game.


I've never seen Murphy stop and appeal to the umpire while play is going on around him. I've seen Fev do it plenty of times.

Feel free to love the Fev, but love him for what he is, the good and bad. And don't for one second try and put Murph and Simmo in the same group as him behaviour wise, because it just isn't true.


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