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i tell ya wot i am NOT buying a membership anymore, might not even go to another game again this year if Fev doesnt return. Coz of his shit, Fev might not return.


Fevolution,

Did you barrack for Carlton before Fev joined us in 1999?

If the answer is YES...remember that !!

The club is bigger than the individual.

Now if a player like Fev is going to divide this club, with some to 'not return' (as you suggest), then we're better off without any divisive influences, even if that means Fev; not that I want Fev off our list.

If you're worrying about having to change your forum name and as a result lose your aggregated number of posts, I'm sure you can be accomodated by the moderators (not my call).

Don't get me wrong, I love Fev, I love his passion (when he's passionate),but I understand why so many are frustrated by him, including executive level. This decision was not taken lightly, I'm sure.

As you would know, I have stuck up for Fev, and agreed with his abuse towards the umpire. I even warned that something like today would happen if the board/ executive didn't escalate the unfair umpire treatment Fev was receiving. So in part, I blame the coach and the executive for not protecting the player.

BUT, I thought that in the 2 games we won recently and the last 2 games we've been thrashed, Fev was not Fev. He didn't get excited for others kicking the winning scores, when he was used as a decoy, and in the last 2 weeks he has shown bugger all passion. I can't condone that; something seriously is amiss with Fev of late.

I agree Pagan's game plan (if there is one) hasn't done Fev any favours, but mate, there's no need to show a lack of passion for your team and the navy blue jumper (that goes to you and Fev).

Fev hasn't done himself any favours in the last month.

Take it easy, keep your chin up, we're all upset with the position on the ladder and the Fev debacle, but we move on and move forward.

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DownUnderChick wrote:

At some point we have to say FFS - how much more does he have to get away with before the club does something?




How much does Ackland have to do before the club does something?

I saw what could be termed by some a cowardly act - well several of them to be exact - from Ackland other the last few weeks. Is that the way to teach the youngsters- if you back away from the ball, if you do little around the ground you will maintain a position in the team?

How much does Saddington have to do before he is dropped?

How much does Wiggins have to do before he is dropped?

What is good for the goose is good for the gander - do you like that witty phrase, Denis?


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i tell ya wot i am NOT buying a membership anymore, might not even go to another game again this year if Fev doesnt return. Coz of his shit, Fev might not return.


Fevolution,

Did you barrack for Carlton before Fev joined us in 1999?

If the answer is YES...remember that !!

The club is bigger than the individual.

Now if a player like Fev is going to divide this club, with some to 'not return' (as you suggest), then we're better off without any divisive influences, even if that means Fev; not that I want Fev off our list.

If you're worrying about having to change your forum name and as a result lose your aggregated number of posts, I'm sure you can be accomodated by the moderators (not my call).

Don't get me wrong, I love Fev, I love his passion (when he's passionate),but I understand why so many are frustrated by him, including executive level. This decision was not taken lightly, I'm sure.

As you would know, I have stuck up for Fev, and agreed with his abuse towards the umpire. I even warned that something like today would happen if the board/ executive didn't escalate the unfair umpire treatment Fev was receiving. So in part, I blame the coach and the executive for not protecting the player.

BUT, I thought that in the 2 games we won recently and the last 2 games we've been thrashed, Fev was not Fev. He didn't get excited for others kicking the winning scores, when he was used as a decoy, and in the last 2 weeks he has shown bugger all passion. I can't condone that; something seriously is amiss with Fev of late.

I agree Pagan's game plan (if there is one) hasn't done Fev any favours, but mate, there's no need to show a lack of passion for your team and the navy blue jumper (that goes to you and Fev).

Fev hasn't done himself any favours in the last month.

Take it easy, keep your chin up, we're all upset with the position on the ladder and the Fev debacle, but we move on and move forward.

Adapt and overcome.


yeh i did, but then we didnt make shit decisions like we have now.

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1979 Norm Smith medal wrote:
DownUnderChick wrote:

At some point we have to say FFS - how much more does he have to get away with before the club does something?




How much does Ackland have to do before the club does something?

I saw what could be termed by some a cowardly act - well several of them to be exact - from Ackland other the last few weeks. Is that the way to teach the youngsters- if you back away from the ball, if you do little around the ground you will maintain a position in the team?

How much does Saddington have to do before he is dropped?

How much does Wiggins have to do before he is dropped?

What is good for the goose is good for the gander - do you like that witty phrase, Denis?


Wiggins wears the navy Blue jumper with pride and passion. He may not be as skilled as some but FFS he knows why he is there. He is not there for self-adulation. He is there to contribute as best he can, in whatever way he can, to the team.

Ackland is just not the skilled player that we want or need but FFS he shows more passion for the club and team than Fevola shows, same with bloody Saddington, and the sad thing is that those two blokes have had to come in from other clubs.

Fevola is all about himself and he thumbs his finger and nose at the Club, and, more despicably, at the ONE guy who took a punt on him and didn't sack him when he should have been sacked at the end of 2002.
Lack of respect and lack of commitment make Brendan a flower liability.

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1979 Norm Smith medal wrote:
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although i agree Fev needs to be ridiculed for his performance this week, suspending him is ludicrous.. To me, Fev is a victim of our game plan, or as i call it the "Reverse Flood"

The reverse flood is when we continue to put players inside our forward fifty, we dont wait for the opposition to do it, we instigate it ourselves. On the weekend we had 8 forwards on direct opponents in our forward 50. Just a touch crowded. Not only do we do this, but we also allow the other team to have outriders where if a quick kick comes outside 50, they have 70 or 80 metres to run (or walk) the ball inside theirown 50, leaving Pavlich one out.

Fev would be looking at the space afforded the opposition forwards and would be ropable. Could you imagine what Fev would do with this much space??? This falls squarely on DP and the MC. If teams flood against us surely we must be smart enough to combat this rather than just bombing the ball to a pack. Why not try Fev at CHF where his kicking could be used to go over the flood???

We need to look outside the square with Fev and try to figure out why he is cracking it, not just sending him away for a week to see if he can figure himself out.

Ask yourself a question, Was his performance any worse than Acklands last 2 weeks? Was his performance any less motivating than Cain's "weak as piss" efforts the last 2 weeks??Obviously not, yet i guarantee that huge lump of shit will beplaying again this week.

Denis maybe you should take a week off to assess your performance as well.




Post of the week in my opinion - give this man a cigar... actually that is

unhealthy, give him a box of chocolates or something like that.



I think people seem to label Fevola on a few dummy spits and yet forget

about all the good things he has done. People remember the bad and

forget the good.





I can't remember too many dummy spits this year- but I do know that he

has won us two games off his own boot. That was the Essendon* game and

the North pre-season. As far as I am aware, no one else has come close

to winning us two games off their own boot. Stevens was BOG against

Richmond, Carazzo had a blinder against the Bulldogs, and it was a team

effort against Port and that is about it.


Anyway - at least the parameters have been set.

Every player will now be suspended (unless they are Ackland, Whitnall or Saddington) if they breach these rules.

1) give away a 50 or 100 metre penalty - i think Simpson did earlier in the year, so he is skating on thin ice.

2) dispute an umpire's call.

good - now that we know this i look forward in 4 weeks time for Carlton
to be playing with 10 players on the ground.



Brendan Fevola is one of my favourite players, and watching him in full flight is breathtaking. I was even sympathetic to his yearning for the captaincy last year, particularly given the lack of leadership at our club.

The problem is that we must hold club leaders (whether official or symbolically) to a higher standard. Someone in an earlier post called Fevola a champion, and in terms of natural ability, he has the potential to achieve that status. But, to be worthy of the tag of champion, a player has to perform consistently, and achieve standards on and off the field along the lines of Buckley, Hird, Voss, Harvey et al. This is something our Full-forward is not even close to achieving.

Our young playing list have very few leaders to look up to, and those that we have are hardly inspiring. Fevola, as a dynamic and powerful on-field presence with a high off-field profile, has a far greater responsibility than every other player, with the exception of Whitnall, our insipid captain. So, while being suspended might be harsh, considering the years of softly trying to bring him into line, maybe this is the last resort.

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I'm a huge Fev fan and think he is an increible talent.

But this tells me there is a oot more going on than just on the field and it dissapoints me that he hasn't knuckled down as he keeps telling us he will.

We can't allow him to set bad examples as he is very much, wherher he wants to be or not, a leader of the club.

His ignoring of Murphy on his own was pretty poor and given how many lace out passes Murphy has given him, more than a tad disrespectful.

Please please please knuckle down Fev. You have a precocious talent. Don't be just another 'cautionary' tale to young kids with talent.

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Wouldn't surprise me if the players were happy something was done. I know if I was a Carlton player I would get p@@!d off with Fev and his antics.

I applaud the club for taking the stand - no doubt it came from Swann with Pratts blessing. Short term pain for long term gain, but I wouldn't stop with Fev only. Ackland, Scotland & Lappin need an ultimatum as well, in fact I would drop the lot of 'em.

Our performance this week will tell alot.

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I just can't accept how you can suspend a player for onfield performance, has it ever even been done before?
If they aren't @#$%&! happy with his performance drop him on Thursday like you would any other player, this big media fiasco today was totally unnecessary.

They just made Fev a scapegoat for the last 2 pathetic efforts to take the attention off the whole team's pathetic performance in the last 2 games.

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danii wrote:
blueboysean wrote:
Fevola is a freak at his best, and nauseating at his worst. He has been given ultimatums before and has rose to them. This is possibly his last chance. Remember, he did say that he wanted to win a premiership with the Blues, and with Swann, Pratt and Icke arriving, a new coach is not out of the question. Perhaps a good young list, a functional board and a chance to sort himself out will give Fev the opportunities he needs to fulfill his godly abilities.

Then again, if all of this doesn't come to pass, and he's still obnoxious and self-centred, then a trade isn't out of the question. But for now, a new coach is more important than a trade for Fev.


what he said


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Anyone who thinks this is only due to 2 x 50 metre penalties and ignoring Murphy is kidding themselves. Subsequently, it's pointless comparing him to Ackland, Saddington, et al. They get paid to reflect their ability in relation to Fev and will be judged accordingly at selection and when delistings are made. There's obviously more to this than meets the eye, good on the club for drawing a line in the sand and stating to every one that wears our jumper that bullsh*t won't be tolerated. fev is a cancer that needs to be nipped in the bud.

Any doubts, think:

Lockett
Hall
Everitt
Hay
Tarrant

Have their original clubs suffered?

The club is greater than the player.

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...I wouldn't stop with Fev only. Ackland, Scotland & Lappin need an ultimatum as well, in fact I would drop the lot of 'em...



Not tanking for draft picks are you. :lol:

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Navy Blue Horse wrote:

Any doubts, think:

Lockett
Hall
Everitt
Hay
Tarrant

Have their original clubs suffered?



No but they haven't won anything. :wink:

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I just can't accept how you can suspend a player for onfield performance, has it ever even been done before?
If they aren't flower happy with his performance drop him on Thursday like you would any other player, this big media fiasco today was totally unnecessary.

They just made Fev a scapegoat for the last 2 pathetic efforts to take the attention off the whole team's pathetic performance in the last 2 games.


Given the extreme nature of what the club's done, I don't think this is just about a couple of poor on-field performances, but they are more likely to have been the final straw. I agree with you about suspension being unique, but as I've written earlier, I think they probably believe they've tried everything else.

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AGRO wrote:
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...I wouldn't stop with Fev only. Ackland, Scotland & Lappin need an ultimatum as well, in fact I would drop the lot of 'em...



Not tanking for draft picks are you. :lol:


What do you think? Would you drop 'em?

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[quote="TheGame"]I just can't accept how you can suspend a player for onfield performance, has it ever even been done before?

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Yes Lance last week

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Personally I think one or two others should be sitting on the sidelines with Fev, pointing fingers and going off at your teammates is not acceptable under any circumstances. Suspect that there is more to Fevs suspension than we are being told. The good thing about it is that it puts a few others on notice.

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1979 Norm Smith medal wrote:
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At some point we have to say FFS - how much more does he have to get away with before the club does something?




How much does Ackland have to do before the club does something?

I saw what could be termed by some a cowardly act - well several of them to be exact - from Ackland other the last few weeks. Is that the way to teach the youngsters- if you back away from the ball, if you do little around the ground you will maintain a position in the team?

How much does Saddington have to do before he is dropped?

How much does Wiggins have to do before he is dropped?

What is good for the goose is good for the gander - do you like that witty phrase, Denis?


Norm, Fev gets paid big bucks to play for the Blues and he is expected perform on and off the field.

His onfield of late has been disgraceful as is evidenced by the 80metre torp that resulted in a point when Murphy found some space. Had he passed it to Murphy and did the team thing, I honestly believe that he would not have been suspended.

Fev has been off the boil all year in some way shape or form [except in Rd 3] and we expect from him becuase he has shown what a brilliant player he can be.

No one would begrudge Fev if he tried his heart out week in, week out, which is why no one is begrudging Wiggins and Saddington, who also try their hardest with the talent that they have. It is his total lack of efforts that have set him on this path.

Ackland benefits from us having no one tall enough to replace him with but when that time comes and I see that sooner rather than later, he will be wearing number 57 in the Aints reserve for all the effort that he has done this year.

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Jarusa wrote:
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someone in this thread wrote that Fev took a separate flight home from perth - can anyone confirm and/or shed some light on this?


It wasn't a separate flight.

He got into an argument with one of the umpires outside the ground after the game and the umpire just kept giving 50M penalties to Fev.

Eventually it got him all the way back to Melbourne.


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JackWorrall wrote:
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I just can't accept how you can suspend a player for onfield performance, has it ever even been done before?
If they aren't flower happy with his performance drop him on Thursday like you would any other player, this big media fiasco today was totally unnecessary.

They just made Fev a scapegoat for the last 2 pathetic efforts to take the attention off the whole team's pathetic performance in the last 2 games.


Given the extreme nature of what the club's done, I don't think this is just about a couple of poor on-field performances, but they are more likely to have been the final straw. I agree with you about suspension being unique, but as I've written earlier, I think they probably believe they've tried everything else.


look they can't have it both ways, if they play a guy who isn't 100% fit and it is a fact he's not 100% as you don't get scans done on your knee for fun then they have to accept his performance. If they aren't happy with his output drop him, it's simple. They turned a straight forward decision into a media circus.

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TheGame wrote:
I just can't accept how you can suspend a player for onfield performance, has it ever even been done before?
If they aren't flower happy with his performance drop him on Thursday like you would any other player, this big media fiasco today was totally unnecessary.

They just made Fev a scapegoat for the last 2 pathetic efforts to take the attention off the whole team's pathetic performance in the last 2 games.


He wasnt dropped. He was suspended from the club ie can't train with the boys this week. It may be over the top but it gives Fev 1 week to think about things.

If Fev is the champion player he wants to be, he'll come back stronger. This will embarass him.

If it looks like a double standard, thats because it is. fev has a higher standard than Ackland, saddington and Wiggins.

This doesnt sound like a Pagan/Sticks inititiave to me.

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