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My guess is that Fev will do a Fat Tony Mokbel and dissappear for a while. Hope it doesn't happen, but its a strong possibility.

The Tiges would be ok with Fev at FF, Richo CHF and Brown in the pocket. If they'd give us their top two draft picks for Fev, then we'd have maybe 1, 2 and 3 in the draft plus more in the top 20. Add this to Murph and Gibbs, and a new coach, and we'd be just like the Dawks..............set for the next decade !!!


Fev for Deledio and their first round pick this year


Do it, do it now

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Murphy, Walker, Gibbs, Deledio, Kruezer ... ekk i think i just felt movement :shock: :cry:

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Ask yourself a question, Was his performance any worse than Acklands last 2 weeks? Was his performance any less motivating than Cain's "weak as piss" efforts the last 2 weeks??


ANSWER: No!

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You have to wonder what affect his onfield antics has had on the rest of the playing team.

Is it possible the players have had enough of Fevs attitude????

I believe we will see the guys turn it right around this week without Fev!!!


Exactly what I was thinking and was about to write myself.
Glad someone else can see through the fog and mirrors.

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Based on some of the arguments in this thread half the team should be suspended.


tend to agree

C.Aikland should be suspended for about 3 weeks.


Well if all our blokes bar Fev were giving 100% the last couple of games then we might as well give up now.

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On the website now...

http://carltonfc.com.au/Season2007/News ... wsId=46379

Which is basically the same piece up on the RealFooty site.

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rhys87 wrote:
chyna wrote:
darknavy wrote:
I'm sure I saw Diesel give away 2 x 50's on more than one occasion.


Williams (generally) played for the jumper and had more skill/commitment in his little toenail than Fevola has.
Diesel, for all his faults, was not a selfish, petulant brat.
This 100m penalty is not the catalyst for Fevola's suspension FFS.
It is the straw that broke the camels back in a litany of onfield incidents and indiscretions and was waaaayyyy to long in coming.



not really he was the main reason we lost the 94 semi-final against Geelong.



Oh please! Surely tell me you are intelligent enough not to believe that tripe.


He was a contributing factor yes, but FFS get real!

I suppose he was also the reason Schwarz kicked our arse's after half-time the previous week also.

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Gotta laugh at the fools here who reckon Fev is useless but yet want to trade him for Judd.


And who would that be, The Game?


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If we accept that Greg Swann is an exceptional CEO, then I think that the club's decision and method of communication was well thought out. The situation with Fevola has been building for years, and his greatest supporter within the club has been Denis Pagan, so I think that Swann was probably the driving force behind what's occurred.

Considering the crap that Swann would've had to put up with in relation to Chris Tarrant, he's probably in a better position than most to judge how to deal with our erratic Full-forward. This time, our CEO doesn't have Eddie interfering in the background.

As for the suspension having a negative impact on Fevola's potential trade value, Brendan's behaviour has hardly been a secret, so any damage has already been done.

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Fevola is a freak at his best, and nauseating at his worst. He has been given ultimatums before and has rose to them. This is possibly his last chance. Remember, he did say that he wanted to win a premiership with the Blues, and with Swann, Pratt and Icke arriving, a new coach is not out of the question. Perhaps a good young list, a functional board and a chance to sort himself out will give Fev the opportunities he needs to fulfill his godly abilities.

Then again, if all of this doesn't come to pass, and he's still obnoxious and self-centred, then a trade isn't out of the question. But for now, a new coach is more important than a trade for Fev.


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blueboysean wrote:
Fevola is a freak at his best, and nauseating at his worst. He has been given ultimatums before and has rose to them. This is possibly his last chance. Remember, he did say that he wanted to win a premiership with the Blues, and with Swann, Pratt and Icke arriving, a new coach is not out of the question. Perhaps a good young list, a functional board and a chance to sort himself out will give Fev the opportunities he needs to fulfill his godly abilities.

Then again, if all of this doesn't come to pass, and he's still obnoxious and self-centred, then a trade isn't out of the question. But for now, a new coach is more important than a trade for Fev.


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someone in this thread wrote that Fev took a separate flight home from perth - can anyone confirm and/or shed some light on this?


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although i agree Fev needs to be ridiculed for his performance this week, suspending him is ludicrous.. To me, Fev is a victim of our game plan, or as i call it the "Reverse Flood"

The reverse flood is when we continue to put players inside our forward fifty, we dont wait for the opposition to do it, we instigate it ourselves. On the weekend we had 8 forwards on direct opponents in our forward 50. Just a touch crowded. Not only do we do this, but we also allow the other team to have outriders where if a quick kick comes outside 50, they have 70 or 80 metres to run (or walk) the ball inside theirown 50, leaving Pavlich one out.

Fev would be looking at the space afforded the opposition forwards and would be ropable. Could you imagine what Fev would do with this much space??? This falls squarely on DP and the MC. If teams flood against us surely we must be smart enough to combat this rather than just bombing the ball to a pack. Why not try Fev at CHF where his kicking could be used to go over the flood???

We need to look outside the square with Fev and try to figure out why he is cracking it, not just sending him away for a week to see if he can figure himself out.

Ask yourself a question, Was his performance any worse than Acklands last 2 weeks? Was his performance any less motivating than Cain's "weak as piss" efforts the last 2 weeks??Obviously not, yet i guarantee that huge lump of shit will beplaying again this week.

Denis maybe you should take a week off to assess your performance as well.




Post of the week in my opinion - give this man a cigar... actually that is

unhealthy, give him a box of chocolates or something like that.



I think people seem to label Fevola on a few dummy spits and yet forget

about all the good things he has done. People remember the bad and

forget the good.





I can't remember too many dummy spits this year- but I do know that he

has won us two games off his own boot. That was the Essendon* game and

the North pre-season. As far as I am aware, no one else has come close

to winning us two games off their own boot. Stevens was BOG against

Richmond, Carazzo had a blinder against the Bulldogs, and it was a team

effort against Port and that is about it.


Anyway - at least the parameters have been set.

Every player will now be suspended (unless they are Ackland, Whitnall or Saddington) if they breach these rules.

1) give away a 50 or 100 metre penalty - i think Simpson did earlier in the year, so he is skating on thin ice.

2) dispute an umpire's call.

good - now that we know this i look forward in 4 weeks time for Carlton
to be playing with 10 players on the ground.


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by the way does anybody know when he was told? Coz i was at his restraunt last night and he was there.

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What might have been forgotten in all of the suspension and why it happened and whether he deserved it was the fact that Swann was in the box with DP on Saturday and would have been privy to any chats that DP had with Fev and how Fev responded to said chat.

Whilst I am not saying that Fev being rude was reason for it, there may been a number of incidences that Swann witnessed on Sat within the box and felt that in the interest of the team and their morale, that suspending Fev was the only option to take.

Fev is not above anyone else in the team and he does have a history of being a dill off the field and that is no merging with his on field performance.

At some point we have to say FFS - how much more does he have to get away with before the club does something?

Don't elevate the Fev's of the world above other players because they can win a game of footy off their own boot - it makes him and others arrogant SOBs who believe they are above team rules.

Anyone who even tries to compare Didak to Fev is a dill because Didak players for another team who I have no flowering interest in.

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4thchicken wrote:
someone in this thread wrote that Fev took a separate flight home from perth - can anyone confirm and/or shed some light on this?


It wasn't a separate flight.

He got into an argument with one of the umpires outside the ground after the game and the umpire just kept giving 50M penalties to Fev.

Eventually it got him all the way back to Melbourne.

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1979 Norm Smith medal wrote:
redskins wrote:
although i agree Fev needs to be ridiculed for his performance this week, suspending him is ludicrous.. To me, Fev is a victim of our game plan, or as i call it the "Reverse Flood"

The reverse flood is when we continue to put players inside our forward fifty, we dont wait for the opposition to do it, we instigate it ourselves. On the weekend we had 8 forwards on direct opponents in our forward 50. Just a touch crowded. Not only do we do this, but we also allow the other team to have outriders where if a quick kick comes outside 50, they have 70 or 80 metres to run (or walk) the ball inside theirown 50, leaving Pavlich one out.

Fev would be looking at the space afforded the opposition forwards and would be ropable. Could you imagine what Fev would do with this much space??? This falls squarely on DP and the MC. If teams flood against us surely we must be smart enough to combat this rather than just bombing the ball to a pack. Why not try Fev at CHF where his kicking could be used to go over the flood???

We need to look outside the square with Fev and try to figure out why he is cracking it, not just sending him away for a week to see if he can figure himself out.

Ask yourself a question, Was his performance any worse than Acklands last 2 weeks? Was his performance any less motivating than Cain's "weak as piss" efforts the last 2 weeks??Obviously not, yet i guarantee that huge lump of shit will beplaying again this week.

Denis maybe you should take a week off to assess your performance as well.




Post of the week in my opinion - give this man a cigar... actually that is

unhealthy, give him a box of chocolates or something like that.



I think people seem to label Fevola on a few dummy spits and yet forget

about all the good things he has done. People remember the bad and

forget the good.





I can't remember too many dummy spits this year- but I do know that he

has won us two games off his own boot. That was the Essendon* game and

the North pre-season. As far as I am aware, no one else has come close

to winning us two games off their own boot. Stevens was BOG against

Richmond, Carazzo had a blinder against the Bulldogs, and it was a team

effort against Port and that is about it.


Anyway - at least the parameters have been set.

Every player will now be suspended (unless they are Ackland, Whitnall or Saddington) if they breach these rules.

1) give away a 50 or 100 metre penalty - i think Simpson did earlier in the year, so he is skating on thin ice.

2) dispute an umpire's call.

good - now that we know this i look forward in 4 weeks time for Carlton
to be playing with 10 players on the ground.


This logic is ridiculous at best. Leaving Fevola one-out in the forward line DID NOT WORK FOR 5 YEARS!!!! Why on earth do you think it would work NOW? EVERY club knew we were so one-dimensional in looking for Fevola that they just dropped 1 or two blokes back to double/triple team him. The ONLY good thing Pagan has done this year is give us other scoring options up forward.

The reason we have so many people in the forward line is to make their loose men accountable to someone and also to give us multiple scoring options. With a lot of our scores this year it has obviously worked and this point in itself is not the problem.

Our problem lies with individual accountability of those outriders.

If we are man-on-man (8 v 8) in the forward line, then who is accountable for the outriders? Not the guys who are on their men in the forward line. You can't have it both ways. The midfielders and half-backs who refuse to be accountable are the issue in this instance.

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1979 Norm Smith medal wrote:
redskins wrote:
although i agree Fev needs to be ridiculed for his performance this week, suspending him is ludicrous.. To me, Fev is a victim of our game plan, or as i call it the "Reverse Flood"

The reverse flood is when we continue to put players inside our forward fifty, we dont wait for the opposition to do it, we instigate it ourselves. On the weekend we had 8 forwards on direct opponents in our forward 50. Just a touch crowded. Not only do we do this, but we also allow the other team to have outriders where if a quick kick comes outside 50, they have 70 or 80 metres to run (or walk) the ball inside theirown 50, leaving Pavlich one out.

Fev would be looking at the space afforded the opposition forwards and would be ropable. Could you imagine what Fev would do with this much space??? This falls squarely on DP and the MC. If teams flood against us surely we must be smart enough to combat this rather than just bombing the ball to a pack. Why not try Fev at CHF where his kicking could be used to go over the flood???

We need to look outside the square with Fev and try to figure out why he is cracking it, not just sending him away for a week to see if he can figure himself out.

Ask yourself a question, Was his performance any worse than Acklands last 2 weeks? Was his performance any less motivating than Cain's "weak as piss" efforts the last 2 weeks??Obviously not, yet i guarantee that huge lump of shit will beplaying again this week.

Denis maybe you should take a week off to assess your performance as well.




Post of the week in my opinion - give this man a cigar... actually that is

unhealthy, give him a box of chocolates or something like that.



I think people seem to label Fevola on a few dummy spits and yet forget

about all the good things he has done. People remember the bad and

forget the good.





I can't remember too many dummy spits this year- but I do know that he

has won us two games off his own boot. That was the Essendon* game and

the North pre-season. As far as I am aware, no one else has come close

to winning us two games off their own boot. Stevens was BOG against

Richmond, Carazzo had a blinder against the Bulldogs, and it was a team

effort against Port and that is about it.


Anyway - at least the parameters have been set.

Every player will now be suspended (unless they are Ackland, Whitnall or Saddington) if they breach these rules.

1) give away a 50 or 100 metre penalty - i think Simpson did earlier in the year, so he is skating on thin ice.

2) dispute an umpire's call.

good - now that we know this i look forward in 4 weeks time for Carlton
to be playing with 10 players on the ground.


I think this is about more than dummy-spitting at umpires. If you believe the official line on this I think you're kidding yourself.


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Everyones entitled to their opinion.

Hell... a few weeks ago I was calling for Fev to be made captain in replacement of Lance.

But I totally agree with the suspension. The guy doesn't play for the jumper, he plays for the glory he gets when he kicks his 8 goals and wins his Coleman Medal. He cracks the sh*ts every week when the "game plan" ( or non game plan) doesn't involve him being passed to with every inside 50.

There is a lot more to this than anyone on this site knows.... except for the ones with links to the club.

He doesn't want to play for the Blues. He shows it in his performances.

OK hes probably our only star player, but what flower use is he when he does s*t all every week except carry on a set a p*ss poor example for the kids.

Carlton's biggest problem (aside from its coach) is our lack of leadership.
Brendan is worse than having NO leaders ... he actually works as a negative as it stands.


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Comparisons with Akland are ridiculous. Fev is a premium player with a poor attitude. he can be the difference between carlton winning or not.
Ackland is an average player at best who is currently playing below average.
You can drop, delist cain without anyone noticing or caring. He isnt an onfield leader or someone the young players look to.

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