Even though i have said i am sick of him, we still cant drop him.

Thats crap. Fev can be dropped like any other player, reputations are just that. Problem is we don't have anyone who can make the hard decisions within the Football Department. Can't drop the Captain, can't drop your best player, can't move your Number 1 pick into midfield, can't give kids a chance at senior level, can't give kids game time at senior level when they do finally get a game. Common thread to all of this.

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We didnt loose the game because of Fev...

We lost because of the people in the coaches box!

IMO its another excuse for Pagan too use!

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"Dont count the games, make the games count"

My opinion is Fev's had enough. Nobody wants to consistently play in side that are smashed. Fev's got pride and I think it hurts him to be subjected to this $hit. Wouldn't be surprised if he wants out at years end.

I'm just curious as to what Fev would need to do in order for the pro-fev supporters to consider dropping him?

I didnt see yesterdays game (only heard last half on radio) so I wont comment on yesterday's performance other than to say that from the sounds of it a few supporters are beginning to come round to what I've been saying for a few years - that unless Fev cant cut out the brain explosions he is expendable

Perhaps if Fev wore a red sash he'd get a better deal from the umps?

In fact, no perhaps, he definitely would.

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!@#$ off Essendon**** Just !@#$ right off. SCUM.

I agree that Fev should be dropped. The way he looks at the umpires everytime he loses a contest pisses me off. But if they drop him who will be his replacement.

You'd have to wonder if it'd matter.

Agree, he's not beyond being dropped. One more week of sulks and "me only" football and more from Edwards/Benji in the Ants and.......

Reminder - he kicked three goals out of 43 in our winning "streak" a few weeks ago.

He's a shocking role model for our younger players. Aside from flower wit Didak, look at the quality of leaders at the filth, e.g. Clement, Buckley etc.

Grow up son, we need some leadership and stronger bodies at our club and you could look very "tradeable" circa early October. Don't tell me we won't get plenty of goals out of Waite, Fisher, Betts, Edwards, Hartlett, Kennedy, Benji and Co in the next few years. Hey, we'll even have midfielders doing it for us, too!

Please Fev, prove me wrong.

I feel sorry for the guy - he has had to put up with 5 years of rubbish from up the ground. I hope he asks for a trade at years end and goes to a club where he can live up to his full potential. I also hope he kicks bags against us when he does and that he is wearing a premiership medal around his neck before his career is out. He's the last guy that deserves the crap that's dished out to him by our own supporters.

I'm beginning to think that the Fev/Pagan relationship might be about to go sour...

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- Igor Stravinsky

He's equal 2nd with Scott Lucas on the goal kicking table despite carrying a foot injury and playing in a team that has been smashed in a third of it's games. You guys need to go out and find yourselves some perspective because at the moment you're dragging the average Carlton supporter IQ down the gutter.

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"We used to sit around and talk about how bad the game plan was." Anthony Koutoufides

Yesterday was the opportunity for aspiring leaders to make a statement to their teammates. Credit to Jarrad Waite for putting a terrible first half behind him and making an effort in the 2nd half. Simpson tried to lift teammates, Murphy tried to impose himself, even Kouta tried as much as his body would allow him. If only Gibbs was released to maybe have an impact on the game....

A four time premiership coach once said to me he wouldn't consider Fevola in his core leadership group if he was coach of Carlton. He is a freakish player but he is not a leader - leadership is about being selfless and thinking team first, individual second. If we dropped him, it may be short term pain but I feel it would be for the longer term benefit of the team. We must show what behaviours are acceptabe and unacceptable, otherwise this will continue and supporters and coaches continue to get frustrated. There are senior players at Carlton that deem selfish on field actions and behaviour as acceptable, and this will continue to be to the detriment of the team.

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for the first time, i am starting to think the same way. fev has had one good game this year. in fact, he has had one great half of a game. his attitude has been worse than ever. i just don't think he has got his head screwed on at the minute. all the off-field crap over the off/pre season i think has had a majorly detrimental effect on fev's mental state. i'm not asking for a trade cos i think he can get back, but he needs a serious rocket at the minute. look at his performances last year and compare it to this year. he is a long long way off.

the team was crap last year. the delivery to the forward line was crap last year. in fact very little has changed from last year. the responsibility for fev's atitude rests soley on fev's shoulders. no-one else.

it will be very interesting to see how fev responds when he captains the team for a week.... i might go interstate that week.. if i see any petulance from fev i'll prolly chuck my tv out of the window.. geez he can piss you off and love him the same time... someone pls kick his arse,,,,

So all DPs fault Synbad? Does Fev bear any responsibility for not chasing for giving away stupid free kicks, for giving away 50s, for making half hearted efforts, for trying torps from 80 instead of looking for a team mate. He's frustrated, so he should be able to give full rein to his frustration regardless of the consequences for the team?

He is the most talented player at the club and the highest paid and in 8 seasons he has produced one good season, a couple of half good seasons and a few decent games. Is it about time he began to act like a highly talented, highly paid adult or should we indulge him because he's Fev? How can you blame Whitnall for everything and Fev for nothing. Whatever any other player does or doesn't do is irrelevant to how Fev behaves. The fact that he will be acting captain is laughable. Waite had an awful first half but at least seemed to be trying. Fev would be possibly the most selfish and lazy Carlton player I have seen.

I'd love it if he'd use his talent all game every week not just when things are falling for him, but he has barely done that in 8 years, is he likely to change? He has the talent to come out and kick ten next week, but that doesn't make all his other weak selfish efforts this year okay. The fact that he can perform when he chooses, but spends time sulking instead is really disappointing. Maybe that's why a super talent like him wasn't drafted till #38. He reminds me of Damian Cupido more and more each game.

That must be the biggest load of dribble I've ever read on this forum. One good year you reckon? I don't know quite how to rebut that because it's just so @#$%&! dumb!

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"We used to sit around and talk about how bad the game plan was." Anthony Koutoufides

I'm just wondering how Fev is currently handling the emhasis being placed on others in the forwardline the last few weeks.
We've seen the Fevcentric forwardline of the last few years broaden to include Waite Lappin Fisher & others as goalkickers under this latest all out attacking plan from Pagan and I wonder whether Fev is missing the attention?

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There's so much I could say...

You've never been to a Richmond match have you?

One good year?? He's virtually carried the team on his own for most of the last 5! As for not chasing... maybe early in his career he was guilty of that but come on!