My 2c....

If these stats are meant to illustrate how the KPP% affects Ladder Position then the stats could've been presented a lot clearer by having KPP% as the independent variable and the Ladder Posn as the dependent variable. Eg.

Ladder posn KPP%
1---------- 100
2............. 93
3---------- 100
4.............. 78
5----------- 80
6.............. 76
7----------- 93
8.............. 91
9----------- 71
10..............78
11-----------91
12..............98
13-----------76
14..............73
15-----------69
16..............69

The table layout above, shows more clearly that a having a high KPP% doesn't necessarily equate to a good ladder postion and vice versa.

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I'd say it's pretty important, actually. 8 clubs have had less than 80% of games by their KP men, and 6 of them are out of the 8. Also note that the two with 100% are in top 3.

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Agree with you halford. FWIW, I happen to believe that having your KPPs out can significantly impact your chances of winning. I'm merely pointing out what these stats show.... that this theory isn't infallible.

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good work there Halford - dont disagree with too much there. also, was thinking Keplar Bradley as well, but he is sort of only in his first year, where as Lucas played there all year last year and did well.

but like you say, we would all argue the tit over it, but i think you are fairly close to the mark though.

good work.

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dont suggest that to some, some here think that you take KPP out your team should be able to cover them, otherwise your lists is shit.

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Having KPP's out can significantly impact your structure. No arguments from me there. Whether having them out is necessarily the difference between losing and winning is another matter. These stats show that you can still have a relatively low KPP% but still be inside (or just outside) the Top 8 .

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i think really good teams can cover the lose of a couple of KPP but good teams cant.

i really rate carlton as a good team - who, with a few KPP out will struggle, and we have.

We have played 6 games with 2 KPP's players missing and 3 games with 1 KPP playing missing.

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uumm, your 1st line doesn't make sense... I think what you were trying to say was:

"i think really good teams can cover the lose of a couple of KPP but poor teams cant."

I'm pretty sure that's what you meant (given the context to which you were responding to my preceeding post). What my point? Well.... doesn't this directly contradict what you've then said in the very next line:


"i really rate carlton as a good team - who, with a few KPP out will struggle, and we have."

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nah, its written as it should be

i rate teams like this

poor - Essendon*, collingwood etc..
good - carlton, western bulldogs etc..
pretty good - geelong, st kilda etc..
great - port adelaide, brisbane lions over the last few years)

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These are pretty interesting stats. You need to be careful not to count your chickens.....Livo is very much an un-proven talent. If he was to keep developing the way he has he'll be very, very important to the team, but to this point he has still yet to really impress.

Another developer is Waite - the great thing about him is that he could be a very mobile and versitile KPP like Kouta has been for so long, and boy do we need onother 1 or 2 of them.

The only other potential KPP for the next couple of years is Fish - he will be an absolute bonus if he comes through given he was pick 1235.

I reckon 2 of these three will make it and 1 won't - I still don't know which will miss between Livo and Fish - I reckon Waite has done enough.

One thing is for sure, you don't trade your FF and/or CHF unless you've got a really, really good..... no, GREAT plan.

*bump*

the article is up on the site:

http://carltonfc.com.au/default.asp?pg= ... eid=206739

Thanks to everyone who helped. I did put an acknowledgement in the article itself, but it has been edited out. Sorry, I tried. You know who you are anyway.

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The only stats I look at are who won the previous flags and what they had on the park. Brisbane had a great spine with reasonable ruckman although Keating was great in finals...

Michael, Leppitch, Voss/Black, Brown, Lynch is about as good as it gets and thats why they won three in a row....we have two pieces of the puzzle in Thornton and Fevola although both Michael and Lynch were probably better than our two blokes at their peak...Thornton and Fevola have the ability to get better and they will.

Port had a reasonable spine as well...master stroke being Chad Cornes to CHB...couple that with three KPP down forward...thats right three..Tredrae, Lade and Thurstans and you had a winning GF on the day...Choco coached and planned well last year..the three big blokes up forward and Chad Cornes at CHBwon him the flag....
We need to emulate Brisbane and Port.....good big blokes will always beat good little blokes...

Good work Jarusa. Hasnt the AFL.com sent you any nibbles yet

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no nibbles, must be using the wrong bait.

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