In whoosha's case, his 'apprenticeship' amounted to a single season. I would imagine the traits and skills worsfold brought to the job at West Coast were more the product of his years as captain of a dominant club than anything he learnt in a single season under Parkin.

I really think this whole apprenticeship thing is overrated. For every example of an untried coach (ie Watson) failing, I can give you a dozen examples of a coach who's served time as an assistant and subsequently flopped as a coach. Being an assistant coach (just like being one of the five managers under the CEO) is an entirely different kettle of fish to having the top job.

Look at Robert Shaw: great assistant coach, mediocre senior coach. they're different roles, and require different personalities and skillsets.

This is just a personal view, but I believe that an individual's unique character traits are what determines their success as a coach or a business leader, not how thoroughly they've ticked off the boxes on some sort of management ladder.

I remember when Ronald Dale Barrassi came across from Melb as playing coach for the Blues. He had absolutely no coaching experience whatsoever.

I remember the excitement the guy generated when he took up the reigns at Carlton. We had come off a shit season in 1964 finishing 10th which I think was one of our lowest positions that we had ever finished.
(Similar coditions to what we have been going through the last 5 years.)

You will all probably say that times have changed but I remember what Barrassi did for Carlton & I would thefore give a "virgin" coach like Voss or Buckley a go.

I don't believe Jezza, Big John or Wallsy did any apprenticeships either.

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A single season.

Doesn't sound much, does it.

Until you realise that it was a bit under a year of a workload that would make a Doctor in a residency year at a major public hospital blanch at the hours required.

Seeing the pressures under which the football department operates would be a great preparation for the senior job.

Correct !

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I'm intrigued by the intellectual dexterity, if not dishonesty, of those who cry out for a young coach on the basis that the older coaches have lost touch with a game that has evolved so much since they played, and yet use the fact that older coaches were able to go straight into coaching 20 to 40 years ago to show that young coaches don't need to learn the caper before they take the reins.

And the kicker is the comparison to captain-coaching. Maybe we could organise a trade for Voss and he could be our Captain-Coach?

Voss is quite simply and inspirational person.

Read the following for just one example: http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/stories/s45483.htm

... and just on the broken leg, he did it early in 1998 and as out for ten months, I vaguely remember him being involved in the coaches box while injured throughout that year?

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Just like Richmond have got Sheedy back.

However, I take your point, and think you're most likely on the money. But you never never know if you never never have a go.

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So a year as an assistant coach under a Connelly or a Daniher/Clarkson/Wallace/Eade is going to teach Voss and Buckley something they didn't already pick up after working closely with Matthews and Malthouse for a decade in their role as captains?

Would Voss be any better off if we hung onto Pagan for another year and had Voss as an assistant to him?

Sorry, but I just don't buy it.

A year or two as an assistant may round off these guys, but it's hardly a dealbreaker.

Terry Wallace. The guy's been coaching for well over a decade, but under pressure he's making some terribly stupid errors of judgement. Errors that, if he were a first-year coach, people would probably blame on his inexperience. Sometimes, we see what we want to see.

If the club believes Voss is the man for the job, then we should bite the bullet, appoint him, and make sure he's got everything he needs. He'll be on a steep learning curve, but exceptional people don't always need to follow the well-worn path.

The best way forward is to snare a young coach who MUST have these quality's:

Does not mix his words,

Is as tough as they come,

Yet is approachable,

And a great listener,

And last but not least, is as competative as they come..






Voss tics all of those boxes.

Get Voss.

Just think how blokes like Murphy and Gibbs would feel being coached by one of their idols, who like them is a leader.

Voss would take them to the level that is their destiny.

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The Reverand has spoken!

Shit,we better think quick.

Connelly to the DEES,YES PLEASE

What about VOSS,who gives a TOSS.
What about RATTS,who gives a FATTS.

As long as it's not BUCKS,the stupid ***k.

That leaves SOS,

SOS THE BOSS


or maybe VOSS or RATTS,shit i'm

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Where do...

Tactically aware...good under pressure in the coaches box...can respond to opposition coach's tactics to combat his tactics...can implement a game plan to win football games in the current game...etc...

come into it?

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Bring back the laurel wreath logo!!!

I don't believe that any of them have coached a flag winning team since 1987 either....

and wallsy coached fitzroy before winning a flag with us

If we can rely on ancient history as our guide, why not get Chris Judd as captain-coach for 2008?

I'll add my completely uninformed opinion to the mix.

Voss will not be bothered by pressure. You don't become the undisputed leader of one of the best teams in recent memory without being able to handle everything that's thrown your way.

He's also ruthless but will command absolute respect from the players. Players may even fear him at times but i doubt you'll see many soft efforts.

His tactical knowledge is unknown but that's no different from any untried coach regardless of whether they've had assistant coaching experience.

bit risky having a coach without an apprenticeship.
hawks got clarkson and he is doing a great job.. so past prestiges as captain is not what its all about...
i'm sure we are capable of finding someone decent... but he needs to coach at the club for 10 years. imho.

Marc Murphy - Captain Coach

Those are things that only gameday s can answer.

Voss has the right personel traits. Has been saturated in football all his life, and has only just finished playing the game.

He understands football as good as anyone going around on this planet.

He doesn't muck around, and neither will his team...............He will make sure of that, of that I'm certain.

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Interesting to see how the Daniher resignation affects things. If Voss goes to Melbourne - he will have far lesser chance of becoming a flag winning coach than if he comes to Calrton.

Culture at a club really does count.

A Melbourne, their flag culture is something that is dusted off from 50 years ago, wheres at Calrton, there are tangible reminders of a successful club that is looking for the chance to re emerge.

If Voss is weighing up the options, he might consider that as an untried coach, he needs to avoid making things harder than they will be - picking the right club is important in this regard.

For example, when a coach is motivating his players, that task would be made a little bit easier if he can point to a bit of tangible premiership glory that can be mentally linked with the jumper.

This is a much easier task at Carlton. For starters, our young players have won a couple of preseason cups, and a well stocked trophy cabinet is there for the looking. The glittering prizes are all there in front of you.

At Melbourne, the coach can tell, but not show..

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In those days Coaching was a far simpler business - laps and push ups for mistakes made in basic drills, a bit of hot gospelling - and the game was ripe for some revolutionery tactics which Barassi had carte blance to implement at Carlton and of which he had an arsenal of information from Norm and Len Smith.

Nicholls was able to glean a lot of information from Barassi and also the players immediately responded to his softly/softly approach after Barassi resigned in 1971.

Jesaulenko had the benefit of playing under Barassi and Nicholls - plus he was so revered by the group of young players he had at his disposal that they would walk through brick walls for him (he trained them very hard) as did the coach he replaced Ian Stewart - but they responded to Jezza.

Walls did serve an apprenticeship at Fitzroy - and had a ready made Premiership team at Carlton - with Kernahan, Dorotich, Bradley and Motley as walk up starts in his side.

For new coaches these days they have to manage their support staff, Training Services , etc etc etc.

Voss and Buckley are probably the exceptions to the rule regarding walking into a job without an apprenticeship - but it is still a risky way to go.

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THe Daniher senario of his resignation is i think a good thing for the Blues as it will now put pressure on how we plan for 2008

The fact that Melbourne will be looking for a coach will now put pressure on the Blues decision to start to work out if Pagan remains or if we as Pratt says that we need to get the best option

Voss maybe a candidate for the blues but with Melbourne looking at him maybe keen to act more swiftly and Voss would be a good fit for a very young side which in Voss would get a youthful and determined to succeed young coach.

Also appealing to the Blues will e having its own reserves side..


Consider that Daniher is a trigger for the Blues to start to plan for 2008 now rather than in 3 months

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