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I reckon Tex would have been a selected in place for Simmo if he wasn't injured.


I reckon Simpson deserves his nomination, regardless of who is or isn't injured. A very astute selection for mine.

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I am pleased that the club thinks highly enough of Jarrad to make him captain. His improvement this year has been significant and I still think he has a fair bit of improvement left in him.

I am concerned, however, that this decision may place Waite under undue pressure. The guy has just strung together his most assured four weeks of footy, giving us a glimpse of what he could be for us over the next few years. Why can't we let him get his head around performing at this level for at least a little while before burdening him with the extra responsibility of being captain.

I know it's only rotational and other young players will get a shot, but really, it had to be either Fev or Murphy.

Fev would thrive if given the captaincy, if you watch him regularly and closely, you'll know what I mean. He loves the big stage and I think that something like the captaincy really has the potential to bring out the best in Brendan.

Murphy, who I thought at one stage should have been captain this year, is certainly going to be a vice-captain next year,will be captain one day. His skill and toughness will ensure that the team will follow him loyally into battle to the end. An old fashioned captain, he will lead and ask others to follow - just by playing the way he does.

No disrespect to any of the other players who were/will be given a stint this year, and I concede that the "leadership group rather than one captain" school of thought has some merit, but I think we should have looked to one of the two best players on the list to fill the captaincy.

I think Waite's talent is enormous and I don't doubt his love for the jumper for a second, I'd just like his development to be given priority before he is given the job.

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Jayz43 wrote:
I reckon Tex would have been a selected in place for Simmo if he wasn't injured.
Not in the leadership group so wouldn't be in the running.


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I reckon Tex would have been a selected in place for Simmo if he wasn't injured.


I reckon Simpson deserves his nomination, regardless of who is or isn't injured. A very astute selection for mine.


I would have made Simmo captain ahead of Whitnall - deserves his place in the leadership group and is one player who always gives his all with or without the ball. Would be a great leader IMO.

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1979 Norm Smith medal wrote:
It should have gone to Fevola. He is our only A grade player and as such deserves the position, but alas what better way for Fev. to stick it up the feeble coaching committee than to kick a bag of goals.

That would make them think again.


If you believe Fev is our only Grade A player then you really don't think much of your team and its players or you don't know much about football.


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1979 Norm Smith medal wrote:
It should have gone to Fevola. He is our only A grade player and as such deserves the position, but alas what better way for Fev. to stick it up the feeble coaching committee than to kick a bag of goals.

That would make them think again.


If you believe Fev is our only Grade A player then you really don't think much of your team and its players or you don't know much about football.


Fevola was the only Carlton player to make the All-Australian team.


To make that team you are in the cream of the competition.

There are plenty of good players - B+ players- eg Scotland, Walker etc - but you have made the top echelon when you get in the All-Australian team.


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Since 1997 (ten years) we will have had:
1. Kernahan
2. Bradley
3. Ratten
4. McKay
5. Koutoufides
6. Whitnall
7. Waite
8. Scotland
9. Fevola
10. Simpson

Maybe 11 captains in 11 years if Judd is made captain next year.


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1979 Norm Smith medal wrote:
nytdog wrote:
1979 Norm Smith medal wrote:
It should have gone to Fevola. He is our only A grade player and as such deserves the position, but alas what better way for Fev. to stick it up the feeble coaching committee than to kick a bag of goals.

That would make them think again.


If you believe Fev is our only Grade A player then you really don't think much of your team and its players or you don't know much about football.


Fevola was the only Carlton player to make the All-Australian team.


To make that team you are in the cream of the competition.

There are plenty of good players - B+ players- eg Scotland, Walker etc - but you have made the top echelon when you get in the All-Australian team.


I guess Geelong, Hawthorn, Essendon*, Kangaroos and Brisbane don't have any A grade players then???


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1979 Norm Smith medal wrote:
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1979 Norm Smith medal wrote:
It should have gone to Fevola. He is our only A grade player and as such deserves the position, but alas what better way for Fev. to stick it up the feeble coaching committee than to kick a bag of goals.

That would make them think again.


If you believe Fev is our only Grade A player then you really don't think much of your team and its players or you don't know much about football.


Fevola was the only Carlton player to make the All-Australian team.


To make that team you are in the cream of the competition.

There are plenty of good players - B+ players- eg Scotland, Walker etc - but you have made the top echelon when you get in the All-Australian team.


I guess Geelong, Hawthorn, Essendon*, Kangaroos and Brisbane don't have any A grade players then???


In 2006 Fevola was the only Carlton player in contention for All-Australian honours. In 2006 there must have been players from the clubs you mentioned who were considered for All-Australian honours, but weren't quite good enough to be considered A grade players by the judges of that award.

I think you will find that the Kanga's ruckman, Gary Ablett Jnr and Lance Franklin amongst others will elevate themselves to official A grade status at the end of this year. You may disagree with who is selected - i do most years - but to be in that team you are in the top 22 players in the league.

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does this Kanga's ruckman have a name?

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RiverRodent wrote:
camelboy wrote:
Jayz43 wrote:
I reckon Tex would have been a selected in place for Simmo if he wasn't injured.


I reckon Simpson deserves his nomination, regardless of who is or isn't injured. A very astute selection for mine.


I would have made Simmo captain ahead of Whitnall - deserves his place in the leadership group and is one player who always gives his all with or without the ball. Would be a great leader IMO.


it would be hard to argue with simmo as a captain

the kids puts his body on the line for the club and his teammates, and its not his only trait.


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does this Kanga's ruckman have a name?


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Based on yesterdays game, Murphy, Simpson, maybe Waite and Walker cos he wasnt involved

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nytdog wrote:
1979 Norm Smith medal wrote:
It should have gone to Fevola. He is our only A grade player and as such deserves the position, but alas what better way for Fev. to stick it up the feeble coaching committee than to kick a bag of goals.

That would make them think again.


If you believe Fev is our only Grade A player then you really don't think much of your team and its players or you don't know much about football.


We have a whole heap of A graders,....

Everyone else has AA++ graders...

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If you believe Fev is our only Grade A player then you really don't think much of your team and its players or you don't know much about football.



Of course you are right our list is full of quality - thats why we are at 4 wins and 9 losses at the moment.

Tell us why our Grade A players are keeping us a few games clear in 14th spot.

So tell us what you know about football since no-one else seems to know anything about the game.

What are we all missing???

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The Freo game is the perfect example of why Fev isn't captain of the club. Need we argue more? We all know he's almost supernatural at his best, and we know he's detrimental to the team at his worst. There's no debate about his potential as a player. But he shouldn't be captain.


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The Freo game is the perfect example of why Fev isn't captain of the club. Need we argue more? We all know he's almost supernatural at his best, and we know he's detrimental to the team at his worst. There's no debate about his potential as a player. But he shouldn't be captain.

Good call Sean. At 15 you can see things that people much older can't. Fev isnt captain material at the moment.

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AGRO wrote:
nytdog wrote:
If you believe Fev is our only Grade A player then you really don't think much of your team and its players or you don't know much about football.



Of course you are right our list is full of quality - thats why we are at 4 wins and 9 losses at the moment.

Tell us why our Grade A players are keeping us a few games clear in 14th spot.

So tell us what you know about football since no-one else seems to know anything about the game.

What are we all missing???


easy

either a) we are tanking (which means you're happy and the club us doing the right thing)

or

B) Pagan can't coach and so we replace him with an A grade coach and the team will improve and we'll no longer be 14th

or
c) The list is [REDACTED] and with a good list Pagan would go alright :shock:

or
d) everything's [REDACTED]!

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The Murphy for captain train will be taking passengers for the next 9 weeks. :lol:

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