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Feels like we are going over old ground here...again and again.

Bottom line is that we need the genuine talent on our list and quickly. We should be able to get that if we keep heading in the direction we are at at the moment.

Is it so hard for some of you to believe?

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sorry Synbad but '95 etc and our failure with this draft have everything to do with elliott and not Carlton's culture. elliott is so far off the culture of this club that he almost destroyed it. This is why we buckled, why we now find ourselves almost totally [REDACTED] and why all of us are arguing because for far too long we have a man in charge that I wouldn't let walk my dog let alone run my club.

As for the rest then answer this back plain and simple. From here on in with or without kids, do you want us to play to win or not? Synbad? Agro? Anyone?

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Not at all - its just that some of us around here believe we are actually doing it on purpose.

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It's funny how Synbad says we would've picked Deledio then Franklin then Tamblin with so much authority

He must have inside info. six months after the draft.

Speaking of lotteries, am I wrong or do I recall a lottery existing for the 2002 PSD for the bottom 3 teams. In the end, we were barred & I'm not certain whether the other 2 bottom teams (Tigers & Saints) had the $$ available in their TPP to participate anyway, but I vaguely remember something along the lottery line.

Deledio, Franklin, Tambling - it doesnt really matter - but I wouldnt mind betting we would have picked these 3 ahead of Russell (no disrespect for Russell - as he will be a 100 game player for whatever club that picked him up).

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Can you blame some people for believing that laying down may indeed be in the plans, when someone who constantly has good inside information talks constantly about needing to finish on the bottom of the ladder and get good picks and lots of them to rise from the ashes?

From a distance, given that I get 95% of info about the club and the team from info here, and there is no real other way that people like me can get info, that's sure the way that comes across....

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It's interesting to read some of the posts on various forums from before the draft last year.

I'm sorry did they have Russell going at Number 1 did they - I stand corrected then

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verbs alot of what i say is with authority cos im not you... if i were you id be saying F.A....

what makes you think i wouldnt know what order we would have taken them??

Are you trying to also say that we would have taken Russell with pick 1 of we had it???

I find it hard to follow your gist alot of the time verbs....


I think if we played to win and by talking about winning is not losing .. id want us to win.
There are three games inside a season... the home and away.. the finals and then the GF...

Why do people say the most important thing is to win a GF???
For example why dont poeople ever remember the minor premier but do remember the Premier?
Because thats what everyone plays for.....

If you won 22 games and had a % of 200%.... and then got knocked out in the finals to a team that won 13 games.. snuck into the finals and won the whole thing outright would you be happier or less happier then the supporters that won the flag???

Well what would those 22 wins in the H & A season have meant if you didnt win the GF????

See footbal is not about the shitty little games you win on saturday afternoons unless you have a realistic chance to win the big one.
So if my club doesnt win games on the scoreboard for a couple of years and i can see the club developing a core group of players that will give us an opportunity to win a flag im happy...

I wouldnt be happy watching side in no mans land .....

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Who's they?

Makes for some entertaining reading.

So we should all just genuflect towards you and take everything you say as gospel? I'm sorry to offend thee...



Problem is, Synbad, is that you don't care how it's done. If OUR club loses every match from here to 2008, because we're crap, then we're crap. If we're doing it to, as you say "develop a core group of players..." then we've become the new StKilda, and we may as well give up and close the doors to our great club.

A club without soul will soon become a club without support.

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Do you read before you start typing? So I will rewrite it so even you will understand it. As someone stated the top 6 stand out ie they pick themselves, no real skill needed, the real skill lies in figuring out which of those who come after pick 6 will turn into very good players. According to some it appears that all we need to do is pick a top 6 player, maybe a PSD and all will be hunky dory, what we also need to do however is make sure our choices after the top 6 are pretty damn good as well, otherwise picking a up PP and a PSD will mean very little. Look at the whole picture not just the glittery interesting bit in the middle.

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L.M 35-06

Dude. I would be more than happy if you can uncover a post from last year where you clearly state what Carlton's order of priority was. I would be over the moon if you could do that. The way you posted what you did made you out to sound like you knew, categorically, that is the order Carlton had prioritized. Fred Flinstone could've come up with that order six months after the draft.

Everyone has the benefit of hindsight. Even Fred Flinstone. I would be very impressed if you can prove you knew that back in October.

Agro... verbs is a Pseudo-analogonymyer.... (Sorry i used a greek word.. or two)

hairsplitting... thats his specialty.

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verbs dont mock Fred Flintstone... you can learn alot from Fred Flintstone.
For starters he was interesting.....

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You see Synbad, we have to win enough games in the H&A to make the Finals, including the shitty little ones and then win games in the finals to make the Grand Final. And that seems to be the BIG hole in your theory. The actual winning of games. You do seem to be very keen to lose an awful lot of games though.

Also find interesting you using an example of a team sneaking into the finals and winning a flag. You were pooh pooing just such a senerio a few short months ago and what was the speech on the weekend about percentage.

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L.M 35-06

Yep I appeared to say most of that.

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Unfortunately, if someone posts shit, it still smells like shit, no matter what.

Inaccuracies, half-truths, distortions, exaggerations, etc....you may call it hair splitting, I say it SMELLS LIKE SHIT!!!