Thats why I think SOS will be our next coach
Spent time at Sydney , Collingwood , Doggies and now the Saints
Spent time in the media and is know for rubbing shoulders with some of the more affluent people in Melbourne

He has served a good apprenticeship and there is no doubt he has Carlton Blood flowing throw his veins

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Indie sorry but I agree with nightcrawler. Guys like Buckley, Hird and Voss have already the experience required ar at least any that would be got from an assistant's role. I think those who are going down the "need one or two years in an assistant's role" are those who are afraid to take bold decisions. The Carlton footy club in its heyday was all about making headlines and taking bold decisions based on instinct not fearful reactions based on the mistakes of others. What you fear is what you attract.
I say to Dick Pratt and Gregg Swann. Take the bull by the horns follow your gut and go forward with confidence. The background (i.e. Financial situation and club facilities and resources) is just about in place. The tools of the trade (i.e. the players) are almost in place. What is still in disarray IMO is the foreground (i.e. The Coach and his assistants). This is where the focus needs to be.

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I think in some ways tomorrow night's Footy classified could be classified as a part job interview for Vossy - so many clubs will be observing his media skills and gauging his motivation for the top job.

Be interesting to see how he handles himself. Could be our coach in waiting!!!!

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hasn't any club interested in assessing Voss's media skills been able to do so every week this season by watching Channel 10? In case any haven't, FWIW here's my feedback: as a media performer, he's NOT. VERY. GOOD.

Whether he would make a good coach is a different question. As is "who's the last coach to coach a team to a premiership without being an assistant somewhere first?"

Buckley, Hird and Voss are great players, but they have no experience as coaches. Enough said. There is a difference between bold decisions and irrational decisions. The SOS idea is interesting, as is Ratten. What of Bradley? Anyway, I'm of the "stick with Pagan" approach. For now. Who knows whether his excuses are actually all quite real? The Barry Mitchell thing is hurting the club.

10 of the last 17 premierships were won by coaches who never served as an assistant coach.

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I think we can forget about Buckley and Hird. There is absolutely no way in the world these guys would even contemplate crossing over to Carlton. Not for all the money in the world.
Voss is the man. The only man we should be targeting. As for SOS I really don't know.

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If you want to base it on a players public speaking or media capability SOS aint much chop either - (apart from that mystical/magical/mythical/ 3/4 time address during the 1999 Preliminary Final.

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I love that stat

To think that the believers in modern young coaches will leap on that despite those 10 premierships being won by the sort of old pros who they loathe - Matthews, Malthouse, Blight, and Parkin. The irony that they maintain that the old dinosaurs are stuck in a different era will no doubt be lost on them. Back to the future.

The interesting thing is that 7 premierships were won by coaches who came through the modern way, ie after an apprenticeship as an assistant. Maybe we should have gone for one of them. Oh, wait a minute, we did

Of more importance would be the answer to the following question: Who was the last coach appointed without a stint as an assistant, leaving aside Timmy Watson?

Scrub Parkin (was not sure about him, it could be 11 out of 17) and add Sheedy.

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Not sure that's right Jars...

2006 - Worsfold, assistant (Carlton)
2005 - Roos, assistant (Syd)
2004 - Williams, head coach (Glenelg), assistant (Ess)
2003 - Matthews, no apprenticeship
2002 - Matthews
2001 - Matthews
2000 - Sheedy, assistant (Rich, 1980, after he retired after round 4)
1999 - Pagan, reserves, under 19s coach (North and Ess)
1998 - Blight, playing coach (North, sacked after 16 games, head coach Woodville, 1983-87)
1997 - Blight
1996 - Pagan
1995 - Parkin, assistant (Haw)
1994 - Malthouse, no apprenticeship
1993 - Sheedy
1992 - Malthouse
1991 - Joyce, assistant (Haw)
1990 - Matthews

So, since 1990, there have been 9 Premiership coaches. Malthouse and Matthews served no apprenticeship. The other 7 were either assistants at another club, or head coach in the SANFL or reserves/U19s (Pagan for 9 years).

And it's 6 of the last 17 years were won by a coach with no apprenticeship.

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Yep, meant to put Sheedy in. I thought that Parkin was captain-coach for some reason - that was wrong. He stopped playing in 1974 and coached Hawthorn from 1977 to 1980. I'd have to guess he was an assistant under Kennedy for the intervening 2 years.

Correct. In fact, Kennedy groomed Parkin to take over from himself in much the same way that Parkin groomed Brittain. It was a big reason Parkin was so keen to help Brittain in that way.

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I reckon you've miscounted - there have been 10 premiership coaches since 1990.

But it looks as though you've got Jarusa on a technicality with Sheedy. Not a bad memory to pick up on the 1980 stint as an assistant

Blight is a case of duelling technicalities. Technically, he coached first as a captain-coach without any experience as an assistant, so Jarusa's right. But his premiership was preceded by a stint in the SANFL - before taking up as coach of Geelong in 1988 or 1989. Maybe split the points on that one?

If you refine the criteria a bit, only Matthews was able to win a premiership with a club that took him on without any coaching experience. 1 out of 17 isn't that flash

Yep, miscounted. And given Blight was sacked after his first stint, I don't count it!

Matthews and Malthouse are the only ones. And if you take out Matthews, then every Premiership coach since 1994 has served some kind of meaningful apprenticeship...personally, I think that says something.

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Rule Malthouse out too. I can't say he had any coaching experience before he coached the Doggies. But when he went to the Eagles, he was an experienced senior coach.

No doubt Malthouse learned a fair bit from his experience at Footscray. There was the big fall out with Brad Hardie. Maybe that could have been handled better for a start. But the point remains that his premiership success only happened after he left behind his first attempt at coaching.

We don't want to groom someone who'll end up a success in his 2nd go at AFL coaching.

Well I haven't read the GT article, but that sounds rather like vintage Thomas. Micro managing everything when he should be delegating and letting other people do their own jobs. I can just see old GT ... renegotiating Ball's contract, then ducking down to the AV room to personally cut together 22 player's video review tapes, before stopping off at Riewoldt's on the way home to tuck him into bed.

I'm not saying the head coach's jobs is not complicated, or that they don't have to be capable of people and time management. Of course they do. But is there seriously anything in that list that you think a guy like Buckley or Voss couldn't do? They've probably only sat through about 500 player reviews between them, I'm sure they've got some idea how to deliver one. And they have staff and assistance coaches to help put the tapes together for them. And I'm sure both of them are capable of ducking in for the last 30 minutes of a Blue Suits meeting, taking a cue from Swann and talking about football to a bunch of well heeled footy tragics.

The off field bells and whistles are important, but they're less important if you have a good CEO and strong admin team. At the end of the day, the most important thing for the coach to be able to do is to analyse other teams strengths and weaknesses, develop a game plan to beat them, communicate it to his players, get them to stick to it, and be cable of anticipating and reacting during a game situation if plan A is not working. If he can do that, who cares if he's a crap media performer (although none of the propective coaches I'm talking about are).

Dont stress too much Nightcrawler. Several of us attended a club function last year where Denis Pagan was the key speaker.

He attended for 2 minutes. He left us in absolutely no doubt that he wasnt interested in being there and left.
He was disgraceful.
Fortunately several club greats were there to pick up the slack and did the hard work for him.
There are many roles for a senior coach but lets not kid ourselves that Denis is performing well in the majority of them.

As for coaching candidates, why dont we form a quality sub committee, formulate a list of prospective coaches, experienced and inexperienced and interview of them? New and old.
Too many biases taking place here without speaking to any of the people concerned. Lets get them all in with a clean slate and see what they can come up with.

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wouldn't be hard for you, would it?

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