If we finish last with less than 5.5 wins as I believe will happen, the Pies,Bombers and Hawks have enough talent to win more than 5.5 games needed to get a PP. Carlton may finish up with the first 2 picks in the national draft and 1 of these may be used on Shannon Hurn who is likened to Mark Ricciuto. I don't think we should trade Fev for a big bodied midfielder if we can get one for nicks in the draft.

These are Hawthorn's,Essendon*'s and Collingwood's remaining games and there are enough winnable games for picks 1 and 2 to go to Carlton.If the Pies get up in what should be one of the matches of the round, we'll be condemned to a second spoon with a silver lining.

I'm with CC on this one. If you can get at least one more gun midfielder who can supply the ball to Fev's chest, lace out, every time, then what a difference it will make. A completely different team IMO. A FF like Fev doesn't come around too often. So much talent, so little supply...

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You can just smell that fresh Carlton arrogance coming back into the air

Geez - everyone plays everyone else once apart from last weeks matches. Why would you bother analysing a draw to determine that. You prove no point whatsoever.

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Dal Santo for Hall and for Lockett, Robbie Neill and the Joel Smith draft. pick

Why trade Fev for a midfielder, when we are bad enough to end up with the first 2 picks anyway? It will have to be a huge turnaround to end up with more than 22 points.

We will probably sneak a few wins along the way and have one of the easiest last 6 games you could hope for. I want a PP but I feel at that time when we have a full squad (Livo, Chambers and Fisher) we will knock off a few teams.

I am being my usual negative self, but I don't see Chambers,Fisher and Livingston as the means to turn around the season. A bit too early to throw Fisher back into the fray on the way back from a bad knee injury. I admit we are every chance to sneak wins against Swans, Fremantle, Hawthorn, Port, Collingwood,Essendon* and the Roos. But we do have the worst list and a few of the players will be starting to play for their survival.

With self-preservation comes self-centred, unteam-like football which is a sure way to lose.

When we looked good during the last few weeks, the TEAM looked good they all played as a team, covered for teammates, didn't crowd the contest, shepherded, blocked.

When, like the 3rd quarter and beginning of the 2nd quarter against Melbourne they played badly, they were all not playing team football but trying to save their skins by trying to rack up possessions.

I have argued that the way we've played this premiership season has been extremely selfish and this has resulted in an incoherent team dynamic where people's role in the side is ever-changing and being changed by players going away from team rules and team-centred football in pursuit of selfish and cheap football. And there are few exceptions to this and as such, players who follow the team rules are seen to be the victims of being not good enough in some cases, when the failure of some players to stick to the structure that has been put into place has caused others to try to paper up the cracks - which is unfair on those trying to follow the team thing (because they ARE limited in some ways on talent but even superstar players can't do multiple tasks week-in and week-out without support) and those who are trying to paper up the cracks are not getting any support.

The cream rises to the top but the richness of the cream determines the quality of the dessert. At the moment it's cream-laden without much substance. There's plenty of cream in the more mature layers, however, the cream has no flavour and has no effect on the rest of the dessert because the cream has not flowed through to the rest of the dessert properly, it has not gelled with the elements of the dessert.

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Are some of you people crazy.Trade Fevola for 2 picks that you don't even know are going to play 1 game for us.While Fevola has the potential to be a 100 goal a season player for us.Quality players don't just grow on trees.You need to keep your quality players and add more quality players to them.

totally disagree with the suggestion of trading fevolution why trade our best player for some other clubs 2nd or 3rd best player. draft picks are to dodgy to determine what sort of a player will become a star lets just keep the stars we have. what walls was saying about carlton being 5 years away from a premiership fev will still be in the prime of his playing days and that also leaves us 5 years to try and find the midfielders to supply him. better than getting these gun midfielders and then not having someone of the class of fev to be up there. ridiculous!!! very average suggestion!! agrre lance may have to go.

Livo is unproven i hope he makes it but he definitley is not a certainty to improve the side.
Chambers cant find the ball... he usually uses it ok...
Carrazzo can find the ball but he cant use it...
Fisher wont make an impact of any note this year..

If youre hoping those three will turn us into a gun side.......................

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Errr no I didn't say we would be a gun side, but all 3 in the side at once make us a better team imo - not a gun side.
Livo at FB will allow Teaue to play on someone who isn't 20cm taller than him. Livo is important for our structure.
It may take Fisher a while to get back to some form but I beleive by seasons end he should be ok. Maybe he wont thogh?
Chambers, well the jury is still out on him but if the Wizard Cup is anything to go by ( ) then he can be apart of our midfield rotation and hit a target. Unless we decide Bannister, Prendergast, Davies etc offer more...
Oh and the last time I checked a few = 3. So with Fisher, Chambers and Livo in the side by my comments that is 5 1/2 wins.

The only way Chambers will be a gun footballer is if he was joined at the hip with Carazzo.. Carazzo can find Chambers the ball and Chambers can kick it....

Our players are mostly.. either slow but can kick.. cant kick but have pace... can mark but are too short for KP.. play KP but cant mark...can find the ball but dont go in... go in but cant find the ball.... etc..

And can anyone tell me why the statues in the beautiful parks around Melbourne dont have a brain but we pride ourselves on having the only statue that has a brain...and we tell everyone!!!!?????

Why cant we find KPP that can mark the ball..
Fast players that can kick the ball...
Tough players that understand the game and can use their brains out there.

.......and brains that arent encased in a statue????

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