New injury puts Whitnall's future in doubt

BlueMark · **Posted:** Fri Jun 22, 2007 6:07 pm

So GWS, you were happy we finished last !?! Sorry I must have missed it, in the uproar.

jimmae · **Posted:** Fri Jun 22, 2007 6:24 pm

GWS wrote:

Jimmae - you can frot yourself repeatedly over Basal Metabolic Rates but the only question that should be asked with regard to Lance's future career or otherwise is "Does he offer the club what it needs?" (insert own "...going forward" if you're a bogan).

For me the answer is no and any loyalty the club may have owed Lance went out the door when he didn't do everything in his power to prepare himself for life as a professional sportsman.

I was defending the pot shots at Lance, not his right to remain on the list.

I would contest that Lance has attempted to put in more than the average footballer, which is something the article that started this bitch-fest was very astute in highlighting to Joe Public.

ERNIE SOS · **Posted:** Fri Jun 22, 2007 6:27 pm

make lance retire & make him forward or back coach

BlueMark · **Posted:** Fri Jun 22, 2007 6:34 pm

Look some people just get fixated on a player and it doesn't matter what the player does, they are in thier eyes crap, always will be. They are known as whipping boys.

In Lances case some rip him for beeing to slow of not having the body for AFL footy. They are right Lance is slow, always has been, he has a body that gains a kilo just thinking about food, other than going on a celery diet he will always lack defination. And yet despite Lances obvious deficencies he has achievced a lot in the game, something that should be celebrated, not be pillored for. In my view Lance has got the most out of what his abilities are, despite carrying injuries for the last few years, despite being used in a number of very different positions as a stopgap. Lance has nothing to be ashamed about, he has put in and has done everything asked of him. Couldn't ask for more from a player. If he retires at years end and I suspect he might then hopefully he will get the accolades he deserves.

Synners, it was Campo you called a traitor, well on this foreum anyways, odd given he did what you wanted and left. Thought you would have been grateful.

blueboysean · **Posted:** Fri Jun 22, 2007 6:41 pm

BlueMark wrote:

Look some people just get fixated on a player and it doesn't matter what the player does, they are in thier eyes crap, always will be. They are known as whipping boys.

Like Quarter Back (Houla)!

Personally, I'm a bit of a fan. So many people here have no respect or confidence in him. Sad.

Dale · **Joined:** Tue Apr 17, 2007 3:05 pm **Posts:** 162

Lance is on the LTI list now according to BigFooty...they said it was on MMM.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=340734

Go Aisake

budzy · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:17 am **Posts:** 8128

blueboysean wrote:

BlueMark wrote:

Look some people just get fixated on a player and it doesn't matter what the player does, they are in thier eyes crap, always will be. They are known as whipping boys.

Like Quarter Back (Houla)!

Personally, I'm a bit of a fan. So many people here have no respect or confidence in him. Sad.

sublime...

Cazzesman · **Posted:** Fri Jun 22, 2007 7:11 pm

Mrs Caz wrote:

Amazing......I can't remember a conversation I had last week.... :lol:

I'll vouch for that but I would replace 'last week' with 'yesterday' :wink:

Regards Cazzesman

Indie · **Joined:** Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:28 am **Posts:** 1073

Dale wrote:

Lance is on the LTI list now according to BigFooty...they said it was on MMM.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=340734

Go Aisake

On SEN, it was reported that he would be rested for the Freo game, but there was no suggestion he'd be placed on the LTI list.

They were attempting to summarise the Club's release.

Have a look at the release:

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/Default.aspx?tabid=4311&newsId=45838

It only talks with any certainty about the Freo game. As there is no certainty about the number of matches he'll miss, that means there is no way that the AFL Medical Officer would approve his transfer to the LTI list.

Dale · **Joined:** Tue Apr 17, 2007 3:05 pm **Posts:** 162

Ah bigfooty... like gospel it is :lol:

chubbyruss · **Joined:** Tue Sep 05, 2006 8:59 am **Posts:** 8631

He now may be allowed to have a couple of snags in bread at Preston on Sunday.

They are "Bloody Beautifull" but usually sold out by QTR time

jim · **Joined:** Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:21 pm **Posts:** 8206

Indie wrote:

Dale wrote:

Lance is on the LTI list now according to BigFooty...they said it was on MMM.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=340734

Go Aisake

On SEN, it was reported that he would be rested for the Freo game, but there was no suggestion he'd be placed on the LTI list.

They were attempting to summarise the Club's release.

Have a look at the release:

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/Default.aspx?tabid=4311&newsId=45838

It only talks with any certainty about the Freo game. As there is no certainty about the number of matches he'll miss, that means there is no way that the AFL Medical Officer would approve his transfer to the LTI list.

9 News said a fortnight but said the club put no specific date on his return.

Synbad · **Posted:** Fri Jun 22, 2007 10:20 pm

BlueMark wrote:

Look some people just get fixated on a player and it doesn't matter what the player does, they are in thier eyes crap, always will be. They are known as whipping boys.

In Lances case some rip him for beeing to slow of not having the body for AFL footy. They are right Lance is slow, always has been, he has a body that gains a kilo just thinking about food, other than going on a celery diet he will always lack defination. And yet despite Lances obvious deficencies he has achievced a lot in the game, something that should be celebrated, not be pillored for. In my view Lance has got the most out of what his abilities are, despite carrying injuries for the last few years, despite being used in a number of very different positions as a stopgap. Lance has nothing to be ashamed about, he has put in and has done everything asked of him. Couldn't ask for more from a player. If he retires at years end and I suspect he might then hopefully he will get the accolades he deserves.

Synners, it was Campo you called a traitor, well on this foreum anyways, odd given he did what you wanted and left. Thought you would have been grateful.

Ok Mark,. so it was not Kouta i called a "traitor" it was Campo???Glad youre getting your facts straight... i wouldnt want to think you were talking through your ar$e...

Ok so the guy who was waiting in the Princes Park carpark with his Essendon* jumper on trade deadline ready to pop out and have his happy media snaps should be applauded should he??? :lol:

Sure i wanted the prick out and away from the club... i called him a "sponge"... a "freeloader"... i called him a "cheat"..."overated"..."downhill skiier" i even called him a "crab" for his urge to go sideways ...for easy disposals...i called him "moneyhungry" and a host of other things years before he left...

What did i ever say that wasnt what he was??? :-D

Anyway.. i cant take you too seriously...
:lol:

As for Lance if the club had any brains wed have a pick now not a guy who cant play ....so id say i had a good feel about where both of those players were and what this club needed.

The problem is idolatrists like you who were into the Elliot "We dont lose any players" doctrine.. couldnt see the major surgery this club needed and were hoping against all hope that Kouta Campo and Lance were going to turn this club around and not the draft picks we needed to re energise a sick playing list

Synbad · **Posted:** Fri Jun 22, 2007 10:23 pm

jim wrote:

Indie wrote:

Dale wrote:

Lance is on the LTI list now according to BigFooty...they said it was on MMM.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=340734

Go Aisake

On SEN, it was reported that he would be rested for the Freo game, but there was no suggestion he'd be placed on the LTI list.

They were attempting to summarise the Club's release.

Have a look at the release:

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/Default.aspx?tabid=4311&newsId=45838

It only talks with any certainty about the Freo game. As there is no certainty about the number of matches he'll miss, that means there is no way that the AFL Medical Officer would approve his transfer to the LTI list.

9 News said a fortnight but said the club put no specific date on his return.

Hopefully a kid comes in and not another BnF like Teaguey

Synbad · **Posted:** Fri Jun 22, 2007 10:30 pm

4thchicken wrote:

Synbad wrote:

4thchicken wrote:

welcomebackcattogio wrote:

BlueMark wrote:

Synners what did Kouta do to get back in your good books, a couple of years ago you were calling him a traitor.

The problem with delist, delist, delist, delist players is that we will never improve as a team, you need a blend of experience and youth, a balance. While I agree that Lappin, Kouta and Lance are nearing the end of thier careers I also, believe that they should be retired with grace and dignity. They have been great players for the club and at thier best breathtaking, thus deserving a measure of respect, to tear them down only demeans us as a club.
I also note those who advocate an aggressive youth policy are also the first and loudest to scream when we finish on the bottom. Can't have it both ways. If you go youth then expect to finish near the bottom for a number of years until they develop, that why last year and this year I am not concerned by the patchy form. Fact is we are getting better, you can see it, I just wish people would recognise it, acknowledge it and give credit were it is due. Patience ,we will get there.

Meh, 2 years ago (see link below) you said you would trade or delist everyone over 25, now you want us to respect them. At least Synbad is a little more consistent.

http://www.talkingcarlton.com/phpBB2/vi ... =bombshell

Synbad consistent? :lol:

- I've heard it all now.

The thing is what we really should be doing is retiring murphy, giibs and walker. They add nothing to the team and are holding us back from our next flag - not to mention that stevens and the o'hailpin brothers!

Delist them! You know I'm right - I will be right... eventually...

Yes you will be right.. but youre abit ahead of yourself.. im not...
I dont have a problem waiting and sticking to a plan.. without the baggage that weighs us down.

I was just referring to your posting history - time will eventually prove you right with whitnall. Just as it will eventually prove you right with a few others (kouta, lappin etc). That you have been calling for the heads of certain older players up to 3-4 years ago only goes to show that you have no real idea.

Thing is you havent had a plan - You just go along with what seems popular at the time (pagan as coach/gameplans, collo as administrator, recycled players etc) and then when things dont go well make gross generalisations of change, the need to play youth and delisting older players.

Its all good though - history will prove your posts right... prove you visionary even... eventually... :wink:

Yeah but history will always remember i looked at my tea leaves and i said Lance gone by 28...
How did i go???

And im just rapt a kid like Bower who i may add isnt rated by Pagan and is under the pump might get a go at AFL footy.... (If Pagan doesnt rate him hes gotta be good)...

Pagan rates blokes like Knobel.. and McLaren.. and Ackland and Gardiner...and a whole host of missed draft picks he either traded or burnt.
I have a theory.. whatever Pagan and Sticks do .. we should have done the opposite...this theory has served me right for the last 3 or so years....
Especially when Denis told me he thought Fev should be traded....!and that we were going to redraft Campo..... :garthp:

!

Thank goodness for new blood in the Footy Dept...!!!

1979 Norm Smith medal · **Posted:** Fri Jun 22, 2007 10:45 pm

Synbad, your post is amusing in that Pagan has got so much wrong but at the same time it is a massive worry.

Even if Pagan leaves at the end of the year we are left with Sticks -who has made so many mistakes in the MC he makes calamity Jane appear like a clever bunny.

I wonder what Pagan thinks of Hartlett
??

I gueess we won't find out until round 20 when he puts him on to play 10 minutes before trading him at the end of the year.

verbs · **Posted:** Fri Jun 22, 2007 10:56 pm

Quote:

February 2004

Without the rubbish goings on from last year and the team bound by the glue in Kouta,.i'm very optomistic. (Im expecting Kouta to be the best Captain since Sticks and his attitude suggest he will be just as good. Each and every player looks up to him. You just know Denis and Kouta are running the show this year and not complaining has beens.

Synbad · **Posted:** Fri Jun 22, 2007 11:10 pm

1979 Norm Smith medal wrote:

Synbad, your post is amusing in that Pagan has got so much wrong but at the same time it is a massive worry.

Even if Pagan leaves at the end of the year we are left with Sticks -who has made so many mistakes in the MC he makes calamity Jane appear like a clever bunny.

I wonder what Pagan thinks of Hartlett
??

I gueess we won't find out until round 20 when he puts him on to play 10 minutes before trading him at the end of the year.

Look, i actually believe there will be massive changes at the end of the year.
Id suggest that Icke and Swann will step up and take more responsibility in the footy dept.
Its pretty hard for both of these blokes to just come and ruffle feathers.
However.. with the club doing VERY WELL off field.. the blow torch will be applied on improving onfield.
Surely the mechanisms that made mistake after mistake over a long period of time will now be under the spotlight.

My guess is new coach...(The whisper bandied around is Voss)Now anything can change.
There will be a new captain.
In my opinion Swann and Icke will have a more influential role on our MC.

Along with all of that i believe we also need the PP... its massive to our future.

I also hope that kids like Bower and Hartlett get given a fair dinkum role..
Pagan isnt a fan of either..and in my opinion that means there is a deflection of responsibility placed upon Hughes who recruited both of them as well as Russell and Kennedy.

Im a huge fan of Bower Kennedy and Hartlett and believe any new coach would want to look at them all more closely.

With Lance out.. i hope they get opportunity.

AGRO · **Posted:** Fri Jun 22, 2007 11:18 pm

Synbad wrote:

Along with all of that i believe we also need the PP... its massive to our future.

People just dont understand how important it is.

One more win will probably relegate us to Pick 3 and 19 - or maybe Pick 2 and 18.

If we can snag Pick 1 and 3 - we should be able to go most of the way of sorting 2 major deficiencies in our list a quality ruckman and another quality mid-fielder for our mid-field rotation - with another top 20 pick for another decent mid-fielder.

We cant afford another year like 2004.

verbs · **Posted:** Fri Jun 22, 2007 11:24 pm

AGRO wrote:

Synbad wrote:

Along with all of that i believe we also need the PP... its massive to our future.

People just dont understand how important it is.

One more win will probably relegate us to Pick 3 and 19 - or maybe Pick 2 and 18.

If we can snag Pick 1 and 3 - we should be able to go most of the way of sorting 2 major deficiencies in our list a quality ruckman and another quality mid-fielder for our mid-field rotation - with another top 20 pick for another decent mid-fielder.

We cant afford another year like 2004.

New injury puts Whitnall's future in doubt

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