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Look I agree that Fev loses the plot to often and maybe on that basis shouldn't be considered.

BUT, the captain of the football team HAS to be inspriational (something Lance is not).

So all the bull$hit aside. There is only one true inspirational player out there.

He wears the #25.


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Captaincy might be a blessing for the 25#.

Some people thrive witrh responsibility.

10 weeks worth of captaincy might be a good start.

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I think it is a choice between Scotland and SOV. If you gave it to Waite it would pi$$ Fev off though, ie. no longer is he conisdered as the leader of the forward line. As for Scotland he at least deserves it, a senior midfielder who tries his guts out every week (we have a shortage of those unfortunately). Not worried about having a Collingwood reject as our Captain, the Pies have a Freo reject as their stand in! It is way too early for Murph.


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Look I agree that Fev loses the plot to often and maybe on that basis shouldn't be considered.

BUT, the captain of the football team HAS to be inspriational (something Lance is not).

So all the bull$hit aside. There is only one true inspirational player out there.

He wears the #25.



you could make that into a poem :lol:


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Because it is only temporary I like the idea of trialling Fevola.

If it doesn't work out to be ideal, no problem then in giving it to Stevens, or Muprhy, or Waite or whomever next year.

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Being captain of Carlton should be a special privilege. Giving it to 10 blokes makes it not. I don't care if the players would appreciate the honour.


yeah it should be a privelidge but times change and the club needs to change with the times

for too long our club was stuck in the dark old ages, we have started to do things differently now, there is no harm in trying something different.


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BIBI01 wrote:
buzzaaaah wrote:
Being captain of Carlton should be a special privilege. Giving it to 10 blokes makes it not. I don't care if the players would appreciate the honour.


yeah it should be a privelidge but times change and the club needs to change with the times

for too long our club was stuck in the dark old ages, we have started to do things differently now, there is no harm in trying something different.


So giving it to the wrong man is better than building a platform for future leadership is it?
The days of form 4s reserves under 19s kick to kick footy and Lou Richards are well and truly over.
Sometimes you have to break new ground and do whats best for the long term interests of the footyclub without being held back by history.
Greatness is about clubs becoming great and maintaining greatness...not doing what was done 30 years ago.
You forge your own greatness or you stay average.

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Synners who do you think should be captain?

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So giving it to the wrong man is better than building a platform for future leadership is it?
The days of form 4s reserves under 19s kick to kick footy and Lou Richards are well and truly over.
Sometimes you have to break new ground and do whats best for the long term interests of the footyclub without being held back by history.
Greatness is about clubs becoming great and maintaining greatness...not doing what was done 30 years ago.
You forge your own greatness or you stay average.


Being captain for a week or even 10 weeks doesnt make a leader.

You don't need to be captain to be a leader. Any successful club has players who aren't and won't be captain but they are great leaders.

In this day, the captain should be a leader first and foremost, but he also needs to be able to reprsent the team, the club and fanbase to the public.

developing leadership in the club is something I believe in but not by haveing 10 captains

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Guys (and gals) we're only talking about an interim captain here, right? So why so negative about sharing it around? It trials the players and allows someone to stand up and show they deserve it by leading their guts out. Fev might surprise us... Murphy will wow us....


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DownUnderChick wrote:
Synners who do you think should be captain?
DUC, id like the remaing games to be divided aming our up and comers as one or trwo game caotains.
Fev
Walker
T Bird
Simmo
Waite
and the last one to go to Murph.
I want them to fight for it.
I want them to understand theyre the face of the club.. and the future.
And no matter who is captain they are all part of the new dawn... hopefully one that they will help impose Carlton glory .


I want them to compete.. in the gym... at training... on matchday.. i want them all to strive to be the best possible footballers they can be and understand sacrifice for their teammates is how together they will all get to where theyre destined.
Im sick of footballers going through the motoins... looking at each other to cover for them.. instead of being proactive .
Sick of our guys not building themselves to be the best they can be both mentally and physically cos the stars on the Xmas tree dont do it.
There is a definite lack of intensity that has become "close enough is good enough"
Part of that has been due to the deflection of the footy coach never taking blame for our shortcomings and instead deflecting.
Part of that has been because some of the older players have just gone through the motions.
There is no bar to jump.
There is nothing to aspire to.
Theyre doing it blind.. (The kids)

Thats why ive been big on putting a red mark through some names and drawing a line in the sand!
The new era begins now.. and its these kids that have to create the glory!!!

There is no other way!!!...
We cant pretend anymore!!!

Give them all a taste .. a small taste and let them build from it!

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Thats why ive been big on putting a red mark through some names and drawing a line in the sand!


Synners,

Who are those names


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Why don't we just go back to the drawing board and re-invent the wheel :? .

For centuries people have followed one leader, not a different one every other week :o .

It's just as disrupting for the rest of the squad to have 10 captains for the remainder of the year. They need one man to look up to and work for you don't confuse the issue with the roster system. We need to appoint the leader while Lance is sidelined and get on with it.

Look how well the Saints are doing after years of rotating their captains :lol: . This was suppose to turn them into an unbeatable force. Then you compare it to Brisbane who had one man with one job.


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Why don't we just go back to the drawing board and re-invent the wheel :? .

For centuries people have followed one leader, not a different one every other week :o .

It's just as disrupting for the rest of the squad to have 10 captains for the remainder of the year. They need one man to look up to and work for you don't confuse the issue with the roster system. We need to appoint the leader while Lance is sidelined and get on with it.

Look how well the Saints are doing after years of rotating their captains :lol: . This was suppose to turn them into an unbeatable force. Then you compare it to Brisbane who had one man with one job.


Youre joking arent you?
When was that???

Find me a 25 year old Voss and ill grant that to you!
Why not take Sydney as an example?
Reinventing the wheel???... yeah but it has to be round!

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Synbad wrote:
DownUnderChick wrote:
Synners who do you think should be captain?
DUC, id like the remaing games to be divided aming our up and comers as one or trwo game caotains.
Fev
Walker
T Bird
Simmo
Waite
and the last one to go to Murph.
I want them to fight for it.
I want them to understand theyre the face of the club.. and the future.
And no matter who is captain they are all part of the new dawn... hopefully one that they will help impose Carlton glory .


I want them to compete.. in the gym... at training... on matchday.. i want them all to strive to be the best possible footballers they can be and understand sacrifice for their teammates is how together they will all get to where theyre destined.
Im sick of footballers going through the motoins... looking at each other to cover for them.. instead of being proactive .
Sick of our guys not building themselves to be the best they can be both mentally and physically cos the stars on the Xmas tree dont do it.
There is a definite lack of intensity that has become "close enough is good enough"
Part of that has been due to the deflection of the footy coach never taking blame for our shortcomings and instead deflecting.
Part of that has been because some of the older players have just gone through the motions.
There is no bar to jump.
There is nothing to aspire to.
Theyre doing it blind.. (The kids)

Thats why ive been big on putting a red mark through some names and drawing a line in the sand!
The new era begins now.. and its these kids that have to create the glory!!!

There is no other way!!!...
We cant pretend anymore!!!

Give them all a taste .. a small taste and let them build from it!


i'd go with that, except fev. Last saeson I would have wanted him captain. seeing him with his missus on ACA, the guy can't be trusted.

My beef was that the old guard had failed inc stevens. The future lies around Walker, murphy Gibbs and waite.

i would give it to murphy now. Everything the boy does screams leader, but I would back any of the others

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Why don't we just go back to the drawing board and re-invent the wheel :? .

For centuries people have followed one leader, not a different one every other week :o .

It's just as disrupting for the rest of the squad to have 10 captains for the remainder of the year. They need one man to look up to and work for you don't confuse the issue with the roster system. We need to appoint the leader while Lance is sidelined and get on with it.

Look how well the Saints are doing after years of rotating their captains :lol: . This was suppose to turn them into an unbeatable force. Then you compare it to Brisbane who had one man with one job.


Youre joking arent you?
When was that???

Find me a 25 year old Voss and ill grant that to you!
Why not take Sydney as an example?
Reinventing the wheel???... yeah but it has to be round!



Ahhhhh, when was what :? .

No, you're right, we don't have a Voss hiding in the cupboards at PP ATM but giving it to one man per week isn't going to flush one out either. Whoever our next captain is will be obvious over the next 2 years, and given we'll have a few to choose from means that we'll have a great leadership group.

I admit that St Kilda's woes aren't as a direct result of multiple captains, but I can guarantee that Sydneys success has nothing to do with Hall/Kirk/Barry at the same time.

As for Murphy, he would be the youngest leader since Tutenkhamen led the Cairo Sphinx's, and we all know how that ended.


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The Duke wrote:
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The Duke wrote:
Why don't we just go back to the drawing board and re-invent the wheel :? .

For centuries people have followed one leader, not a different one every other week :o .

It's just as disrupting for the rest of the squad to have 10 captains for the remainder of the year. They need one man to look up to and work for you don't confuse the issue with the roster system. We need to appoint the leader while Lance is sidelined and get on with it.

Look how well the Saints are doing after years of rotating their captains :lol: . This was suppose to turn them into an unbeatable force. Then you compare it to Brisbane who had one man with one job.


Youre joking arent you?
When was that???

Find me a 25 year old Voss and ill grant that to you!
Why not take Sydney as an example?
Reinventing the wheel???... yeah but it has to be round!



Ahhhhh, when was what :? .

No, you're right, we don't have a Voss hiding in the cupboards at PP ATM but giving it to one man per week isn't going to flush one out either. Whoever our next captain is will be obvious over the next 2 years, and given we'll have a few to choose from means that we'll have a great leadership group.

I admit that St Kilda's woes aren't as a direct result of multiple captains, but I can guarantee that Sydneys success has nothing to do with Hall/Kirk/Barry at the same time.

As for Murphy, he would be the youngest leader since Tutenkhamen led the Cairo Sphinx's, and we all know how that ended.

You go with what you have with an eye to the future....

Right noiw we have a few kids that have leadership qualities but probably arent ready to take the mantle on their own.. so you spread it and build upon that.

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You go with what you have with an eye to the future....

Right noiw we have a few kids that have leadership qualities but probably arent ready to take the mantle on their own.. so you spread it and build upon that.


Whatever :roll: .


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Fev should be captain, followed by scotland. No one else

Not to waite, dont think he could be captain yet, still goes missin sometimes. I do luv waitey.

Murph and Gibbs are to young and are not ready, why put pressure on them no matter how good they are. They will get it in the future so wats the rush.

Fev is inspiring, he lifts the team, he flys the flag, his our best player, he shouldve been captain. Been at the club a while, his whole career. He loves the club more than anyone and promotes the club better than anyone. I will be very disappointed if he isnt.

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Murphy should be capitan hands down. he shows all the qualities of a true leader, which is something that has been lacking in recent years. IMO Murphy will lead the blues to their next premiership.
As for vice, give it to either
Gibbs- my first choice
Walker
Waite

IMO Murphy should be capitan and Gibbs should be vice but i think they will put in some tempory capitans first - Stevens and Lappin


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