From what I've heard from Voss's commentary on Ch10, he seems to be, like SOS, great player, but a not so smart guy.
On the other hand, Ratten speaks very well in his interviews. So I would choose Ratts over Voss.

Indie, you should be writing on the Blueseum.

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He did... for a little while.

I think the Pagan biography needs a hand

As long as it's not an obit, I'm up for it

This topic has been done to death in one form or another,but surely our next coach should have recent(last 10 yrs) premiership success as a coach or player
Voss
Matthews
Roos
Worsfold
Ratten,McKenna (worth a try).
etc,etc

Forget

N Daniher
Buckley
Bond
Harvey
Thomas
etc,etc

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WEST COAST 116 POINTS 2003
KANGAS 124 POINTS 2003
AINTS 108 POINTS 2004
MELB 105 POINTS 2004
TIGERS 85 POINTS 2005
SWANS 92 POINTS 2006
CATS 78 POINTS 2007
HAWKS 100 POINTS 2007


Is their any coach or propesctive coach that can help us

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That coach might look at it from the perspective that there were 3 years between 100 point losses, while 7 or so other AFL clubs have had them during that period. Including the much vaunted Hawthorn. And let's not forget about the ultra-modern Wallets.

Yes but look at the losses in total

0-10 points -6
11-20 pts - 16
21-30 pts - 9
31-40pts - 9
41-50pts -6
51-60 pts - 2
61-70 pts - 3
71-80 pts 9
81-90 pts 4
91-100pts - 5
101-110 pts - 2
111-120 pts -1
124pts - 1


73 losses total in 100 games 42 of them over 5 goals

In all honesty when you look at the raw stats you wonder how any coach could have lasted as long as he has

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Would any business accept performances such as this?
I'd love to see the stats on the clubs that have recorded thier highest score and greatest winning margin against us over the past 5 years as well.

This is an indictment not just on the coach and match committee but all officials, players and staff.

We have a losing mentality that is now indemic.

Here we go again

I'd think any business which had been shut out of recruiting the best staff while being plunged into heavy debt might have a problem. But it's hard to look for examples in the business community because it goes without saying that such limitations are never placed on businesses, and businesses aren't allowed to trade in the parlous position that Carlton was in. .

They wrote off the value of the stands because Collo wanted them to move to the Dome- Take the right down out of the equation plus the loss of revenue generated by the stadium and things were not as glum as they might have appeared. Its the oldest political stunt in the world _ " Look at the mess the Previous mob left us" Howards still using it after 11 years

The numbers speak for themselves - He has been the most least effective coach in the club history .

And Mav you are really getting desperate when you start blaming the financial situation of the club on the ability of the coach to perform.

Think about this maybe if we had won a few more games the finances might have been better- Chicken and Egg stuff

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The more I listen to N Buckley the more he impresses me as a coaching candidate. Eddie will never let him leave te Filth though. He'll sack Mick if he has too.

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Have a look back over previous threads. You'll notice that Pratt has made it clear that his main priority is not to save money and reduce debt, but it is to pour badly needed money into areas that might see us improve on the field. There has been far more investment in recruiting, cioaching, strength and conditioning. The flip side of that is that the lack of such expenditure has hurt the club over the previous years. That's the important thing about the financial state of the club over the last few years - forget about trying to juggle the figures to show that there was heaps of money as the only important thing is that the money wasn't being spent on the field.

Try to tell me that Hughes doesn't appreciate the extra resources he has now. And tell me that he wouldn't have liked them right from the beginning.

But it was good to see that you didn't try to attack the observation that the draft pick penalties adversely impacted upon us, and indeed you couldn't.

You're quite right there. Pagan has made it clear that Collo wanted him to recruit more mature players in 2003 despite his warnings that this wouldn't deliver the benefits over the longer term. But you can see Collo's thinking. The good results in 2004 helped to shore up the club's financial position, and led to record membership in 2005. And yet you are happy to have a go at Pagan for following a path that was dictated by the club's Board and financial well-being.

Yes Indie I agree with you however if the on field performances had been better we maybe wouldn't have to relied so heavily on Pratt bailing us out.

People dont like putting there hand in their pocket to go and watch a team that loses all the time , sponsors dont like a product that is on the nose

Like I said it is chicken and egg stuff

As for the draft picks I noticed you didn't try attack the observation that Pagans list management and recruitment policies have probably set back the club further than anything Evans and Demitrou did to us

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Wrong on both counts. You didn't raise it, but I dealt with that point anyway. You just chose not to quote it, that's all.

In your opinion I am wrong and no amount of facts stats - lines or what ever will prove either us right or wrong because it is pure speculation as to what might have happened .

The only facts we can deal with are the results thats what you live and die by . You can make the best sales presentation ever but unless you sell the product you will be forever a dud sales person.

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With record memberships and increased sponsorships, it looks as though the product has been selling pretty well.

It was Collo's idea was it?

I recall Pagan saying lately that he made a presentation to the board and they accepted it. Even though he realised it was'nt sustainable.

But I dont recall it being Collo's idea and Pagan warning against it.

http://www.theage.com.au/realfooty/news ... 35817.html

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Give Lance the job instead of Voss or Ratts as it will expedite his retirement!

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