This is some of the worst stuff I have ever read on here.

Rhys26 hang your head in shame.

I've had enough.

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How many time has Lance Whitnall been sent to the fat farm????

Dunno, but on a more related topic, is there such a thing as a dick head farm?

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Sorry eccentric blue excuse my terminology.
Do you know how many times big red has had to attend a retreat health camp???

Given?

Nah - I give to the CFC. Every year I give them money and I'm happy to do it. I give - Lance charges the CFC for his services.

When football went professional the players were glad to take the extra cash that was on offer and I've no problem with that. By making the sport professional it's increased the skill level and for that I'm grateful. What many players didn't factor in at the time was that the extra cash on offer would also make them commodities and there's not a lot of "loyalty" in a commodities market.

There are certainly players that make sacrifices for the club they play for and I've no doubt most "love" their club once they come to terms with the fact that they're not playing for the club they barracked for as a kid but I'd suggest the vast majority of players have a greater loyalty to their mates, teammates, managers and family these days than they do to "the club". Anachronistic ideas like "club" are for us mug supporters who still have an emotional attachment to our childhood fantasies of pulling on the boots and a navy jumper with a monogram on the front.

Funnily enough there was a time when the CFC was the most ruthless list manager in the league. We'd axe a player who was on the downward run and flick him off to the wannabes like St Kilda who thought an ex-premiership player or two might give them a chance of being competitive. A little of that sort of ruthlessness might be the way back for the CFC now. It certainly worked back then.

If Lance has to retire I'll be grateful not because a player's career is over but because for a number of years now it's been blatantly obvious that he was on the wane and with every additional year that the club gave him we missed out on utilising his remaining trade value. That value is now completely gone. He was certainly a good footballer once upon a time but he was only ever really a forward flanker and his physical limitations and our coaches' insistance on him being a KPP have held our club back for some time.

Every player is tradeable for the right price and I don't believe there are many players in the league that wouldn't change clubs if you offered to double what they were on. With that sort of "loyalty" in mind clubs need to do what's best for the club and if that means cutting "favourite sons" then so be it. That's the trade-off a player makes when he agrees to the pay-packet.

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I don't disagree GWS.

I simply think that cheap shots by TC posters are unwarranted.

As to Lance "giving" - sure he charges for his services but he surely he also "gives" in return???

We can discuss loyalty or lack therof all day, however, Lance has given to our club & by default to us every year since he first signed up. Some of it has been good, some great and some disappointing. But he does give to the club.

Had our list been better managed then Lance may not get such a raw deal on here. Had we been more successful then Lance would definetely not get such a raw deal.

However, our list has been badly managed, we have been unsuccessful and it is not Lance's fault. For people to sit back and take cheap pot shots at a guy who has given so much to our club is pathetic.

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That's all very good,GWS, but the point is how spiteful the posts have been about a bloke who does love the jumper and the club and his team mates.

He has never had a crack at them on field and deserves respect rather than the crap that some are dishing out. If you want to justify it, fine.

I agree that every player on the list is tradeable including Gibbs/Murphy and Walker but you have to ask what you'll get in relation to what you'll lose.

And by the way, a half forward flanker who was named AA CHF while Carey was playing the game .

I would respect him more in retirement.

He WAS great...he isnt't anymore.

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They coud'nt.....could they?

Maybe so Bluebeard, but does he deserve the crap being dished up on here?

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Fair enough Ockham.

I don't feel a need to take pot shots at Lance at the moment but I can understand why a number of people feel let down by him. The guy had a great amount of natural talent when he arrived at the club and the impression I and many others have of him is that he's been happy to live off that and that alone.

When you look at a guy like Adam Bentick who so clearly wants to play the game and will do everything in order to make it you realise how poorly Lance has prepared himself over the course of his career.

I never thought Lance would make it to 200 games for our club due to a combination of his body type and his attitude. I'd suggest that the fact that he has is more to do with our poor list management than Lance proving me wrong. 20 years ago we would have got 100-150 good games from him and said thank-you.

The frustration I have with Lance is similar to the frustration I had with Kouta's big money deals over the years - in my view that was clearly not in the best interests of the club and I felt that way both at the time and since. I don't expect players to knock back ridiculous offers but I do expect our club to do what's in its best interests and paying Kouta as much as they did and not trading Lance are two decisions that I've never been happy about.

If what's going on at the moment is the club preparing to move Lance on then I'm relieved rather than pleased but if it's simply more of the same poor list management and Lance is signing up for 2008 & 2009 then I'll be seriously pissed off. For me it's more about the club than it is about Lance.

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Cheers GWS, I wasn't for a moment suggesting that you were or would take a pot shot at Lance.

I personally believe that the vitriol that some are displaying should be directed at the management that allowed the present circumstances to arise.

Perhaps Lance gave all that he ever could have to the Club. Any mental limitations (such as ability to apply himself pre-season) are all part of the package. The Club should have dealt with this, and probably would have been better placed to do so, but for the draft penalties, wooden spoons, finances etc all coming together at the same time.

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We'd be lucky to get 2 dozen Krispy Kreme Donuts for Lance in the Trade Period now.

Over the next month we should allow Kouta, Lance and possibly Matthew Lappin to announce their retirements with dignity and allow them a fairwell game - something that this club has had a poor track record at doing over the past 5 years or so.

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Hey, no need to get so aggressive Electric Blue. Rhys is surely entitled to his opinion??

This is a democracy and people should be able to state what they think on this site, otherwise it would be a very bland site if everyone agreed on everything.

I think GWS summed up what many of us think.

Lance was an insperation at 19 being our CHF and outsmarting veterans...

A lot of water has passed under the bridge since then and Lance just can't keep up with fotball no more.

He should retire at the end of this year with pride and be happy that he got to represent The Carlton Football club for such a long period.


I look forward to seeing kennedy bloosom over the next few weeks.

Everything has it's used by date......

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I haven't read any other threads yet, but I did hear denis talking about him carrying the injury for five weeks. longer than that i reckon because i remember seeing pre-season reports about his knee restricting him.
and i what WTF is the MC is doing making him play - it is not so long ago (2005) that we made fev play with shots in the groin each week only to have the surgeon comment that it was one of the worst three groin injuries he had seen.

another week closer for denis and others (mike sheahan reckons eight who played on friday) to be gawn!!!

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If Lance is injured then the club should come out and say it because by playing him every week does favours for no one.

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OR.. noone is kicking the captain... captains should be capable to not be kicked.
His problem is he has been undisciplined.
He out his hand up to be captain and he isnt capable.
He put up his hand for money over a long period of time with little output.
As a senior player the kids look to him for inspiration and a show on how to prepare yourself for the challenges of football.
He is a bad example of what a modern day footballer is .. and personally i think he is detrimental to the club.

He is odds on to not be here next year.
He should never have been captain... i suppose part of my frustration is with the MC who made mistake after mistake and continue to make excuse after excuse as to why were underperforming.
Lance is an example of why were underperforming.!!!

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Thats the point!
Lance DID NOT give all he could give to the club!!!

Lance is the embodiement of the lack of professionalism that has dogged us over the last 5 years.
He has ill equipped himself for tthe battles we have fought.
Blokes like Lance/ Campo Kouta and a few others have not put the best interests of this footy club before their own.
Its been about money and putting in less than 100% allowing the kids to have to carry the can.. and the supporters to come away with one shallacking after another!!!

The coach is the other reason.

Noone can tell me Lance understands 'work ethic'.
You cant!!!

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i guess those who give votes for the john nichols award are clueless to football matters and on lance whitnall.
lance has been our main forward since 1997..untill fev took over that role in 2005.
he has had a mediocre year for a captain.. but captain cousins, buckley, ricciouto, lloyd, vandenberg, neitz, tredrea, harley.. three captains at sydney, five captains in brisbane..
only brad johnson, adam simpson, peter bell can consider themselves as contributing captains.
lance isnt that far behind these three.

to the lance knockers if there ever was a war please dont come near me in the trenches...slagging off a leader with poor arguementation i'll prolly knock ur block off.