Lance is fat.

But Bower's being dragged by Mitchell for the same reasons.

Somehow, I don't think telling a defender to stick to his man is complex or confusing.

Has football changed so much that no one, even defenders, can be asked to stand a man?

Others who failed to get the message that they had certain roles have fallen away too.

Kenna, the crumber who refused to crumb - liked running past the contest in the hope someone would kick the ball to him after they'd won it.

Mott didn't like running outside the centre square. Why didn't Pagan just accept that this was his natural game? Gee, Mott could have been the ruckman we've been searching for if we'd structured our game around him.

Strangely enough, no one picked them up when we delisted them.

By all means, let's get in a coach who lets the boys do whatever they want. Running the club like a social football drop-in centre may just work.

Pagan picked Mott up
Pagan picked Kenna up on a half of football he whitnessed at Box Hill.
Bower has a million kicks and is 6ft 4... and 19.

Bower is a player.... i dont give a shit what Denis thinks.

Anyway.. Denis has toi go because he cant extract anything from the players.
Unless you believe we should keep him and sack 30 players???

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Because 1 man won't play on his man, Pagan can't extract anything from the rest. Amazing.

It seems we now have a new yardstick to measure the suitability of prospective coaches. Can they construct a game plan that will allow Bower to run free as a bowerbird.

SYnbad, it seems that you were happy with Lance;s ability to play loose man in defence. You just wanted to upgrade to someone who is faster across the ground.

Bottoms up to the new Lance

But Denis is unable to sell a message to a footy team over 5 years....

Like i said Ayres was in a smilar position with his message but a change fixed all that.

Dont worry at least Bower can run....

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We all know he doesn't have the physique of Kouta, he turns up 'overweight' as you call it, because injuries restrict his off-season preperation. When he's been fit, he's come back in as good a shape as Lance's body will get.

You have to accept that he isn't a Greek God and never will be no matter how hard he trains. He has more to offer than broad shoulders and rippling triceps.

He continues to turn up fat yet wins the B & F and plays positions that no one else on the list is capable of playing (ie dropping into a whole and getting smashed by the leading forwards) then goes forward to kick some goals when his excellancy, Fevola, spits the dummy and sooks off!! He's missed 3 games in 3 and a half years while injured. If that isn't a sign of an inspirational leader than I don't know what is .

But hey, just stick to Synbad's 'fat' tag and you'll make yourself laugh for the 100th time.

Corey didnt have a heart and he won the best and fairest too... but this aint the Wizard of Oz...

Its an elite football competion .. for elite athletes and sportsmen....
Now if we were talking darts and a pint id catch your drift....

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He turns up overweight each pre-season because in the off season he spends all his time at the epping pub sinking pots and eating chick parma’s.

duke,

How many times have we had to send Lance to the fat farm???
Do you accept that from a professional footballer???

Duke,

In the years he has turned up overwieght to pre season training has had very little or nothing to do with injuries and more to do with what he has been putting into his mouth.

C'mon boys, you can do better than that .

The ol' KFC jokes were the REALLY funny ones. I reckon they get better and better the more I read them .

Would you wish the same on Rama, or Caracella?

I hate the Pies and the Dons - but I hoped that they would pull through to play again...

How about Nick Stevens?! What's the difference between him and Whitnall? One can play better than the other!? Is that the basis for hoping for a career ending injury, and possibly something Lance would have to monitor for the rest of his life?

Not baking you mate, but have a think about it... I'd much rather them just tell him he's no longer required for next year.



That said, a captain for one year - only to be dumped the following? Has that even happened before?! I'm thinking the Blues will probably let Lance leave on his own terms - better or worse for the club.

Whichever way this plays out, I think the club has been really smart this week. Denis mentions a degenerative knee condition that Lance has been carrying for 5 weeks. Icke is quoted on the record as saying there is an injury problem and that Lance is seeing a specialist this week.

What does this achieve?

1) It allows the club an out by omitting Lance on the basis of an injury rather than dropping him. It's perception only, but it can be important when dropping someone of Lance's stature - no pun intended
2) It puts both Lance and Nixon on notice that the club is concerned about both his performance and long-term future and might reduce their expectations during contract talks
3) It puts on the table a performance based contract, rather than simply stumping up for a wad of cash
4) It gives the club a way of managing the situation through the press should Lance not be re-contracted.

This shows a degree of thought (or common sense) that was missing during both Collins and Smorgons reigns as President of the CFC.

If Lance is re-contracted, please let it be on a performance based contract, and if not, then that reminds me of a certain club in the early 80's that wasn't afraid to move players on when it thought that their best was behind them.

Oh and what he said... one year a shining light in an otherwise bleak year - the next year we have people bagging him - AFTER we learn that he's been playing injured.

When Kouta was playing with a dodgy knee, I think I remember him receiving a lot of sympathy and support - how about the same for another guy that bleeds Navy Blue??

Is it better to have a player who can't stay with an opponent because of a loack of pace, or a player who won't stay with an opponent because he doesn't want to do so?

Fair summary.....I think the club are looking for a clean way of dealing with the lance issue... injury and a performance based contract offer are methods that could be used to sever ties without any blood on the floor.
I dont think he will be at the club next year....

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The only reason why I said that is because our coach and match committee haven’t got the guts to drop a guy who is clearly not suited to the modern game.
From a pain perspective of course I don’t wish it on him or anyone else for that matter.

So youre saying you would rather have Lance than Bower???

You havent even seen Bower play....
A minute here and there is not what you wish to see!!

But if you want to keep defending Denis..... you have ten weeks then he is gone.
Lance is pretty good odds to not be then too.

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The point is that uncontested marks to the opposition I50 aren't good, whether they result from lack of discipline, pace or fitness.

And training someone to play that way or rewarding them for doing so is hardly the best way to develop them.

And whatever will be at the end of the year will be. I'll still be buying my membership and supporting whoever is around next year

Most people buy their membership.
But to not question recurring themes in mediocrity makes you impicit for the mediocrity itself.

When the club thinks it can wallpaper huge cracks .. its because supporters will go along with anything for their hit of momentary high.

Thats why junkies do what they do.... theyre not interested in tomorrow.. only how they can get their fix to make them feel better today... whatever it it takes...

You must foirget about stuff that isnt making your life better long term to get better long term...

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Very poor form guys, this thread is only up to page 4, I would have expected so much more from so many more, especially when Synbad has been rattling a few cages. Come on, jump on board and kick our Captain!!

Line up and put shit on a guy who has been loyal to our Club over a number of years. Cast aspersions about his application, dedication and passion for the Navy Blue. Try out a few new fat jokes - they'll always get a good laugh!

God knows that many posters here have given more to the Blues than Lance ever has. Feel free to sit back on your comfy arsed chair and hang shit on a guy that the club appointed Captain, awarded the B&F to and who has played over 150 games.



Seriously, the club is a professional organisation. It wants what each of us want - success. If Lance is past it the Club will make the call.

Having Carlton supporters bag the shit out of a true Carlton person is appalling.

It is unbelievable that so many TC posters sit back and take pot shots at a guy who has given all that he can (despite all of his limitations) to our club during a very bleak time.

Just 'cos people on TC say that he is shit, doesn't make is so. His career may be coming rapidly to an end BUT he has given more to the Blues than any one on TC.

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