Capitan=Nick Stevens
Vice Capitans=Marc Murphy
as for whittnal - RETIRE

for me it starts from the top down...Denis Pagan has no leadership qualities, so how can you expect his players too.

After every loss he has an excuse..Last nights was the worst. "the guys got ahead of themselves and believed what the papers said about them" ...This maybe true Denis, but how about, as the head coach, YOU FIX IT....their is no accountability.."we are a young side and these things happen"...agree but to happen 25 times in your 100 games is pitiful.Again Denis "FIX IT"

Hopefully my source is correct and both Lance and Denis will be gone by the end of the year.

On a side note, I would have preferred Fev as our captain. At least he shows passion. I was having a heated discussion with a Hawk fan that i know and he was bagging Fev and how he berates his own teammates. I for one, dont mind this. The best captain i have ever seen in any sport was Man Utd captain Roy Keane. Although not the best player on the team, he was the most passionate and would deliver some of the biggest sprays to his own teammates. Names like Beckham, Cantona, Bruce, Rooney,Giggs,Yorke would all be on the end of these sprays yet would not complain. Now if we had leadership like Roy Keane, i think we would be better off

PS Ackland sucks!!

ur right stevens is a good choice but with his sort of injury i think hes gonna hold himself back for awhile as for whitnall put his ass on an exercise bike and take away his macdonalds coupons and he'll be fine, i think lappin would make a good vice captain....p.s drop ackland

Keane is an excellen example. When he took over Sunderland this year, they were at the bottom half of the table. At year's end they have noe been promoted to the premier league. I don't think that is a coincidence

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Keane is a freak that

not many natural leaders like that anywhere in the world.

Micheal Voss was perhaps the best going around, Brett Kirk another but very far and few between.

I dont mind Stevens as Captain, he is a leader on the park anyways, Stevens until Murphy or Walker is ready.

Perhaps

Captain - Stevens
Vice Captain - Murphy
Deputy Captain - Walker

and i would possibly but Walker ahead of Murphy, Murph is a leader, but Walker has that bit of agro i think is needed

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yes yes yes yes yes yes yes!!!!!!!!.....

we need real strong powerful leaders who will be prepared to stand in front of a semi trailer in order for the TEAM to win.....

having said that i believe the wheels are firmly in motion.....

Leftfield perhaps ... Scotland the Brave?

At least he looks like he gives a shit.

Don't mind the Walker option, but I still reckon we're in a holding pattern until Murphy is ready.

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Stevens would be a stop gap.

If he was still at Port or a top rung club he wouldn't even be on the 2nd line of betting for captaincy.

It's great that the young midfielders look up to him, but that's more an indictment on the lack of other options than merit.

Why do people think Stevens is such an obvious choice? For mine he'd be another captain, like whitnall, filling in time until Murphy or Gibbs is seen as 'ready'. We don't even know how he's going to recover from his major surgery, and the pressure of captaincy almost forcing him into playing (as has been the case with Lance this year if we're to believe reports about his knee) isn't going to help us.

That being the case, flowering bite the bullet and just hand it to Murph on a platter next year. He's shown that he mentally strong, loves the club, and I think it will lift his game rather than stifle it. Only one way to find out. It shows that the club believes in the kids taking the club forward on the field.

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Congratulations CK95

Grant Thomas seems to know the score...

Whitnall fails captaincy test
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/ ... 22,00.html

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not exactly earth shattering news ...but at least Thomas has the guts to say it

...waiting for Wallsy to stand up and state a few truths..

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That's not all Thomas says
Read this

http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/t ... 08682.html

Stevens has admitted the last 3 years he hadnt prepared as well as this year. Captaincy is hardly how you reward that comment. I'd have him above Whitnall.

My choice is Murphy. 2 years in the job, he'll be the best going around.

redskins is right, Pagan doesnt promote ladership values.
Voss as coach, Grant Thomas as director or whatever you want to call it. Not involved in tactics or matchday, co-ordinating leadership stargies, coaching directives etc

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T E A M

Thomas is spot on! (it pains me to say that) This century we've had Bradley, Ratten, McKay, Kouta and now Whitnall. That's 5 bites at the cherry in 8 years. in addition to that we've had 3 coaches. We need a settled leadership group that can grow into job and provide stability for the next 10 years. It doesn't matter how much talent you've got in your side if your leaders are $hit then you'll always struggle for consistency.

I htink Thomas is often unfairly maligned as a manager- his modern views on how to run a football club are quite valuable, and wouldbe a great addition in a director of football type role with a young coach.

The Pavlich comment was a shocker (I’m sure he regrets it), but besides that he has been a very good special comments commentator…

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People said the same about Richie Vandenberg and look what his club is achieving.

Thomas seems to be a good thinker not sure about his integrity. In my view good football director have both qualities in abundance.

You're kidding aren't you? Hawthorn have leaders in many areas on the field. Hodge, Crawford, Joel Smith...

Not because they have Vandenburg sitting in the clubrooms, as good for team spirit as he may be.

We have neither.

If you reckon the hawks will stick with Vandenburg next year over Hodge then I'd love to get some of that stuff...

All I'm questioning is why so many people reckon Stevens is the obvious choice for captain... I don't reckon he is and I can't see the point in appointing him for a couple of years while we wait for Murph to 'be ready'.

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Congratulations CK95

well said...Esecially in the case of Luke Hodge, that guy should be captain next year, and if i were a hawks fan i'd riot if anyone other than him got the job...Crawf is a superb leader but like Rob Harvey needs to take the back seat...Joel Smith, Mitchell, Bateman, even Campbell Brown all lead by example the other night.


Nic

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You just made my point. Vandenberg is (and always was IMO) just killing time until Hodge or Mitchell is ready for that next step. Crawf and Smith were suffering at the time Vandenberg was appointed, but now as the young guys take more of the heat off them they're flousirshing, and can now be satisfied with the future of their club after they leave. Giving Stevo the role could achieve the exact same thing.

Best leader since STICKS,oh how we need a Brett Kirk clone.

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