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PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 12:27 pm 
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Get the roids into Bower, Austin, and Jamieson and let them debut in the seniors.

Notice how Worsfold has his team built like brick shithouses :roll:

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Million dollar training facilities will do that.


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bower and flint need to start playing senoirs. they have to see if hartlett is a CHB or CHF. grigg needs some time but he is option down back

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Grigg doesn't look any sort of backman for mine but I could see him as a small forward / flanker presenting up the ground.

Our forward structure has involved pushing everyone into a a box from the square to the goals with the flanks wide open. You'd think with two hard leading forwards like Fev and Fish that you'd run the opposite scenario.

Fev in the square with space everywhere and fish etc in almost traditional FP, HFF etc positions. The hawks had an open forward line last night and they just ran into space to pick up clean i50 marks on the lead.

Are we trying to turn Fev into a crash and bash FF? Watch the Essendon* game where he dominated with space to lead into.

It's a strange setup.

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beg Stephen Silvagni to make a comeback so he can show me them what a real backliner is


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FLiPMoDE2 wrote:
beg Stephen Silvagni to make a comeback so he can show me them what a real backliner is

Nah we have plenty of backliners .. we need more frontliners!!! 8)

The defence is ok.. it needs to mature organically as the team matures also.
The harder we run to contests the quicker it will improve.
We need a gameplan that works and links defence / midfield and attack as one cohesive unit!
The backline cannot be fixed for as long as players arent rolling up their sleeves up the chain.

Theyre getting shellshocked but there is a heap of potential.
We need to lose the passengers ... (Kouta and Lance in particular ) who play without the kind of work ethic and intensity and lack the legs to improve the backline.

It has a domino effect.

Thats why these two cannot be in the team.. no matter how much hand waving they do.. no matter how many games they have under their belts.
This is a new era of football.

Its the quick or the dead!

Bentick/Blackers have work ethic and tackle.. i dont have a problemn with either of them.. but they must continue to improve and they wont until we work as a single playing unit... there is no other way to work the defence.
All those looking for players from other clubs are kidding yourselves.
No quick fixes!
We have drafted... we need to place our faith in the kids we have drafted to make it happen for us.
Not Saddington Lance and Kouta!!!

Both of these two are dead in todays football .

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Has anyone considered using Bentick as a small BP player? People talk a lot about how his only real attribute is his tackling, which would seem a perfect fit in our very loose backline.


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Donstuie wrote:
Has anyone considered using Bentick as a small BP player? People talk a lot about how his only real attribute is his tackling, which would seem a perfect fit in our very loose backline.

Nah he is a blue collar extractor who can hold the ball up.
He would be smashed closer to goal.. the days of that kind of bp are gone...

Anderson has that role all wrapped up for ten years....
Size... he can RUN.. he is fearless.. and relentless.

The backline is a problem for today.. but i think it will sort itself out over the next couple of years with mostly the players we have right now(including Flint Austin and Bower with the current group)

Where we lack is in the middle of the park...not clean enough and nowhere near enough depth of A graders.
This is where the battle will be won and lost!

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The backline is a problem for today.. but i think it will sort itself out over the next couple of years with mostly the players we have right now(including Flint Austin and Bower with the current group)



Sinners,

Will Bower be there next season??? I hear that he is on very shaky grounds at the moment. (That’s verbatim from one of our players)


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Rhys26 wrote:
Synbad wrote:
The backline is a problem for today.. but i think it will sort itself out over the next couple of years with mostly the players we have right now(including Flint Austin and Bower with the current group)



Sinners,

Will Bower be there next season??? I hear that he is on very shaky grounds at the moment. (That’s verbatim from one of our players)


Rhys , i dont know how a player would know who will stay and who will go...
I think as soon as the season is over the axe should come down on Denis and allow a new coach some time to consider the players he wants to keep around.
surely Bower wouldnt be at the bottom of that list as he has a heap of potential and needs to be examined with some playoing time under a coach who is coaching for development and not his own future..

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Too slow.... you cant play players that cant run and are not enthusiastic.
I like Saddo the bloke... but Saddo the fullback??
Lance the CHB??????

These two must move on and allow Paul Bower and Co to come in and get games under their belt.


Plus with the pace of football these days... you CANNOT use Kouta and Lance and Saddington along with Bentick and Blackers .. who you CAN use...

The quicker Pagan forgets about those blokes and begins blooding kids that will be part of our future the quicker we will get a REAL team together.
Right now Pagan only wants to win as many games as he can to shore up himself... long term were getting robbed of games under kids belts and a priority pick!!!


pratt wants 10-11 wins for 2007

why isn't it that pagan is trying to acheive the targets set by pratt????


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Synbad wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
Has anyone considered using Bentick as a small BP player? People talk a lot about how his only real attribute is his tackling, which would seem a perfect fit in our very loose backline.

Nah he is a blue collar extractor who can hold the ball up.
He would be smashed closer to goal.. the days of that kind of bp are gone...

Anderson has that role all wrapped up for ten years....
Size... he can RUN.. he is fearless.. and relentless.

The backline is a problem for today.. but i think it will sort itself out over the next couple of years with mostly the players we have right now(including Flint Austin and Bower with the current group)

Where we lack is in the middle of the park...not clean enough and nowhere near enough depth of A graders.
This is where the battle will be won and lost!

I don't always agree with Synbad but I think he is right this time. I think we can fix the backline with what we have in the pipeline plus Setanta back there when the young rucks get their chance. We are lacking Stevens in the midfield and I think we need to go looking for another classy ready-made mid. West Coast have about ten. They must have one who wants tp play senior footy instead of watching Judd and co from the stands.

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BIBI01 wrote:
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Too slow.... you cant play players that cant run and are not enthusiastic.
I like Saddo the bloke... but Saddo the fullback??
Lance the CHB??????

These two must move on and allow Paul Bower and Co to come in and get games under their belt.


Plus with the pace of football these days... you CANNOT use Kouta and Lance and Saddington along with Bentick and Blackers .. who you CAN use...

The quicker Pagan forgets about those blokes and begins blooding kids that will be part of our future the quicker we will get a REAL team together.
Right now Pagan only wants to win as many games as he can to shore up himself... long term were getting robbed of games under kids belts and a priority pick!!!


pratt wants 10-11 wins for 2007

why isn't it that pagan is trying to acheive the targets set by pratt????


Pratt is in charge of the day to day running and the turn around of this club offield.
The MC have to be smart enough and brave enough to tell the president where we are at.. and to have the balls to plan for a sustained challenge for a flag..
Not bandaid approaches ...

Pratt is a supporter like the rest of us.. brought up on a diet of Carlton success.

But there should be people at this foot claub (and i believe there are NOW) that should be capable of making an objective decision on all that by looking at a snapshot of where we really are at x where the other teams are.. x where footy is going with ALL of its modern day complexities!!!

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Herald Sun:Too many holes in defence: Carlton
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Saddington, back in the side after battling chronic knee problems, has conceded 16 goals to opponents in just six matches.

It is no surprise Setanta o'hAilpin and Bret Thornton, the usual suspects to get the most dangerous tall forwards, are high on the list.

Irishman o'hAilpin has let through 26 from 12 games - respectable given the amount of ball being pumped inside Carlton's defensive 50m. Thornton's opponents have kicked 24 in his 11 games.

To put their efforts into context, Kangaroo Michael Firrito is leading the way for goals conceded, having 39 kicked on him in 12 weeks.

Attacking rebounder Ryan Houlihan has conceded 24 goals to opponents in his 12 outings.

Bryce Gibbs, who is learning the craft back in defence in his first year, has only conceded 13 goals in his 12 games.


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we need to trade for a key CHB - and i am not talking your jason saddington types.

we have no one coming through other than harts and austin.

i hope we have a crack at david mundy in the off season.


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Mundy is a half back flanker


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Mundy is a half back flanker


Still a quality player IMO. Mundy or Houligan on the HBF?

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mundy is quality... at 192cm he is taller than thornton and larger in frame.
he can definitely play CHB.
setanta, tbird and mundy in the backline will make me smile.


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He is 192cm but plays like he's a lot smaller. There is no way he could hold down CHB


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What I would like to see is a spine of O'Hailpin (FB), Waite (CHB), Murphy or Gibbs in the centre, Fevola further up the ground (CHF) and Josh Kennedy at (FF) playing out of the goal square.
Until we sort out the ruck situation though we will continue to struggle by robbing Peter to pay Paul.

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