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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 11:44 pm 
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Walker's goal and mark
Carrots and K-Dog trying their hearts out with about 30 touches each
The crowd
9 Pubs

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How long is a piece of string?


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JR had a dip until the final whistle.
Simmo really had a crack - especially in the third.
That's it.

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Houlihan, Ackland, Lappin, Whitnall, Saddington, Waite all putting in about 5% effort
Setanta getting his pants pulled down.
Our clearances
Kids getting demoralised by weak leadership

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tonite totally sucked. :(


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Pros - Walker's mark and goal, Simpson, Fisher.

Cons - Ackland, Ackland & Ackland!


@#$%&! dud!


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Cons
The whole match

Pros
backed Franklin to kick no goals @$3.75
giddee up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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George Harris wrote:
On SEN they were just saying it was 25 losses over 10 goals.

Better check...


I heard that too George. Wonder how many beltings over 100 points to Mr Pagan's credit :?:

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 12:09 am 
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Crowd and hopefully gate receipts with Bumper crowd
I got there at 5.30 and saved 11 seats in the general admission area quite an effort that
Cons - the nightmare game of the whole team -the inability to get a ruckman in the last 10 years who can play
the inability to hit targets - and it is awful to single one out but lappin pass to croad in the last quarter summed up the night
the supercilious hawthorn team and crowd -I STILL HATE THEM


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BlueIce wrote:
The PP is irrelevent because the young players learn more in a winning side....
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BlueIce wrote:
...need to trade to get us another early draft pick and leave it up to the recruiters to find a diamond in the rough like Birchall.


I agree; we can't afford to rely on chance as much as we can help it. I don't know how we can do it, however. I don't have a lot of faith in pick 21 or so, not in finding an elite type player. Maybe we could 'up-size' it by trading a player we wouldn't miss in the long term. :(

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Pros: The Crowd

Cons:

Pagan- flower off you fossil.
Ackland - Flowering WORST EVER RUCKMAN to pull on the CFC jumper.
Seatanta - Love him, but a ruckman he ain't. Key possie man or zip.
100 points- flowering JOKE.


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PROS:

At least tonight's loss illustrates where we really are to those seeing premierships after a win against a very poorly performed Port.

Once again our players have been shown how hard and disciplined you need to be against the better teams. I hope the message will get through better than it has so far.

CONS:

We are about where I thought we are ... and it was obvious 5 minutes into the 1st Q.

The team as a whole is lazy and undisciplined.


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blu944 wrote:
pro: diggers tried all day, thought sporny and chambers gave us heaps of run.

con: coming mentally unhinged by flash backs


Pros: The ability of people to find humour after a football (as opposed to life) tragedy.

9 Pubs

Cons

If we haven't settled on the pubs yet, the amount of time until that happens!

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 12:19 am 
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Con:

Pagan.........the WORST ever coach in CFC'x proud history. If Dick doesn't sack him before our next game, I'm worried.


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Pros:- coaches sticking to thier guns and sticking to one on one all out attack and not puting players behind the ball to minimise damage. This should give them and the players a fair idea of where they are at if they think this is the way to go.

Cons :- the game plan needs work. IT will pay off against other young developing sides but is no answer against sides out of that stage who are well drilled with adaptable game plans. The Hawks clouded the centre making it impossible for us do bring the ball into the middle like we like to.
we need a plan b and c and perhaps a D.


ps what was that free against fev for on the wing when he had words with Hodge. It was right in front of me and it seemed like absolutely nothing was in it. It was cracking point for the team.

The umpire seemed keen to get them to 100 points up.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 12:23 am 
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ps what was that free against fev for on the wing when he had words with Hodge. It was right in front of me and it seemed like absolutely nothing was in it. It was cracking point for the team


Fev grabbed his jumper.

If a free kick was paid every time a player grabbed Fevs jumper in a similar fashion, we would have been jumping the fence to celebrate his 100th goal of the season 3 weeks ago.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 12:25 am 
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Also should have added under cons

CONS:
Our captain - where was he? :?
He shouldn't be BOG every week but given he is captain we should at least expect him to an above average impact on the game. I don't think I've seen him have one very good game at all this year.

Why do people keep making excuses for him? Saying he's directing traffic? :lol:

I thought he was meant to be a 'smart footballer' yet I noticed numerous times that he bombed the ball into the forward line to a 2 on 1 contest. I thought Lance is meant to be smart enough to choose the right option? :?

A very interesting point regarding Lance and the hawks is the attitude that Hawthorn took with their underperforming and uncommitted senior players when Clarkson took on the job. They were daring, right from the start they backed youth and traded out Thompson and Hay.

We use to be the smartest club, but it was decisions (or lack thereof) on underperforming senior players like Lance that has meant we are further behind in the talent department than where we could have been.

Hawthorn have so much depth now with Dowler, Thorp and Muston in the VFL along with Bailey who did an ACL this year. They were daring and it appeared that they have an attitude that you can never have enough talented players on your list.

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Pros:
Carazzo, Murphy, Fisher and Wiggins battled hard

Cons:
Whitnall - no place for him in the modern game. Someone needs to have the balls to drop him and give guys like Hartlett or Kennedy a proper opportunity.
Ackland - Insipid performance. Should never wear the carlton jumper again
Too many slow players.
Jordon Russells lack of awareness and sideways vision. Seems as though our recruiting guys forgot to check that factor when evaluating him.
Bentick and Blackwell cant play in the same side
No leadership. The only leaders we have are Gibbs and Murphy


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 12:27 am 
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Pafloyul wrote:
I don't have a lot of faith in pick 21 or so, not in finding an elite type player. Maybe we could 'up-size' it by trading a player we wouldn't miss in the long term. :(



Dont worry - another cheap win during the back end of the season and you will get your wish of trying to trade for an additional first round pick. :wink:

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 12:28 am 
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frank dardew wrote:
Crowd and hopefully gate receipts with Bumper crowd
I got there at 5.30 and saved 11 seats in the general admission area quite an effort that
Cons - the nightmare game of the whole team -the inability to get a ruckman in the last 10 years who can play
the inability to hit targets - and it is awful to single one out but lappin pass to croad in the last quarter summed up the night
the supercilious hawthorn team and crowd -I STILL HATE THEM


The tossers have to get on a boat to watch a home game. Sucked in.

They call themselves Hawthorn, but train on a windswept oval in Mulgrave and play home games in Tassie. Go figure.

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Pros:

- we received a football lesson, and perhaps a wake-up call*

Cons (on top of all else that's been mentioned):

- the inability, be it due to physical or mental shortcomings, of most of our players to run hard (in either offensive or defensive situations). We were well and truly shown how this must be done tonight, and the truth is, we have too many who cannot (or will not) do their part in this regard.

- two and a half more years of Cain Ackland (say it can't be so?). I'm usually not one for singling out players, but poor Cain is, pound for pound, one of the AFL's softest and most ineffectual players. For heaven's sake, son, we know you're not the most talented lad, but at least win our respect by putting your large frame on the line for your mates.

* in any business function, if staff don't have their minds on the job, or are a "little ahead of themselves", it's deemed to be a management issue; it's a bit bloody rich for Pagan to roll this line out to the media after the match, when, quite simply, ensuring the players are correctly prepared is his job function. Poor man management, that.


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