If you play Bryan this week instead of Barnaby...and not rush him back into the side.
If you play simmo for 100 minutes and Walker same instead of on and off the bench.
If you have the balls to drop blokes who dont do as theyre told...
If you dont keep bringing in the same blokes in and out of the side...

If you give simpson , Walker, Betts and Bentick each a quarter or a half in the square for their development. You then wont win many games as they will be brushed off the ball... but what you will do is let them learn of McLeod and Riscuitto this week... it will also teach them how much work they need to spend in the gym. in the off season.
Nothing like getting a first class education is there???
Good education does have a price though doesnt it???

in this case you wont win many... but who cares???
Its not about this year for mine...

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Lucky you are not in charge of the Cats Synbad. They are a club who have reached their current heights with honour, even though it seemed so ridiculous for so long to be batting mid order. I know who I would prefer out of them and the aints in a GF, and I know which example I would prefer to follow.

Know any father sons coming through as good as Scarlett , the abletts and this years Hawkings?

Honour eh???

well good luck to them.. if only we can copy exactly what they did.. not have had any draft penalties.. not have huge contracts hamstringing us.. and another 10 years.......

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Synbad it took Geelong the same amount of time to come good then it took St Kilda. In fact they were both pretty crap for, on and off, 6 years or so.
Fremantle have gone by your theory of bottoming out and look at them now. Look at St Kilda now. Yes they have fantastic lists, but what rewards have they got to show for them? jack shizen.

you think scarlett and ablett are the main reaosns behind geelongs resurgence? that comes down to a bit of luck- we might just have it too with Blackwell, Johnston, etc in future years.

while i take your points about the need to get some talent into the place- i do not believe that being in the VERY lower reaches of the ladder for how ever many years is the only answer.
things change in footy very very quickly. Just ask Leigh Matthews...

Whats the Brissy list circa 2000 have to do with our list???
Do ytou think Denis would kill for our list over Geelongs and StKildas???
Scarlett and Gary Ableet junior arent important??
Add Ablett into our midfield and Scarlett into our defence then give us 6 years of picking up picks and we might be able to beat stKilda when StKilda have half a side and no coach... like 2 weeks ago.
StKilda under a Bomba Thompson and no injuries would wipe the floor with Geelong under Bomba Thompson and no injuries.
Geelongs resurgence actually started with the 1999 draft if im not mistaken and StKildas with the 2000 draft..
Ours started with the 2004.
So in 5 years we might be ok.... if we had Scarlett and Ablett jnr .
Remember Geelong didnt have the kind of upheavel we had and the contracts we have to accomodate.

Why do people keep comparing apples with oranges???

Just cos Geelong did it... doesnt mean we can do exactly the same thing... cos each draft is a once off...just ask North.... why arent they recruiting guns??????

I cant understand why some people think later picks have the same success or better success rates than early pics... especially doubling up on early picks and bringing players in through the PSD... its like the acid is talking.....

How the hell do you aim at picking exactly like what Geelong picked and hang your hat on that???

If drafting was that easy Norman would have been a switched on gun.. Croady would be in the side. Vance would be a superstar... and Sam Smart would be the captain.

The best picks are the very early ones... and the deeper into the draft youre looking the harder it gets... and it is even better when you have TWO very early picks.. cos youre hedging bets and hopefully bringing in TWO GUNS.... not one maybe...


Just think logic... thats all...

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There are plenty of Carlton 'supporters' who do that all the time. I'm sure they can teach you.

Well Synbad, we are on the way, we have had a couple of years back in the draft (Stevens plus Walker almost balanced out 2003), a couple of fat contracts drawing to an end and we have no excuses for future salary cap breaches.

Only saw one Ablett on the weekend and no Hawkings, but lets not let the facts get in the way of a good story. That leaves Scarlett and G Ablett Jnr who are handy players, but they are not the sole reason the Catters are contenders right now. They are a very even side without a priority pick amongst them. Contrast that to the product of prolonged mediocrity at Moorabbin and, yes, its plain that one of those teams is built on honour whilst the other is a charity case.

But that hasn't happened yet. All we've seen all year is playing guys who are half injured (Stevens),
-young guys spending most of the game on the bench
-refusal to rotate our midfield (which EVERY other side does and has a second string- where is our second string midfield?),
-refusal to drop any big names,
-constant rotation of the fringe players eg Bannister, Johnson, Davies

When are we going to see this?

All this talk about StKilda and Geelong. Neither have done anything yet. Let's get excited about these teams when they actually win something.

The clock is ticking.

Tick...2005

Tock...2005

Tick...2006

Tock...2006

You can barrack for a strong Carlton and developing kids or you can barrack to win the odd game with guys that arent taking you anywhere.
Why does winning necessarily mean winning one game each three?
Why cant you support a club without having to win 6 games for a season , season in season out.

I support the club.
That doesnt mean i have to see us win one game in every 3 when we can win 1 in 4 or 5 and develop kids with an eye to the future and a few elite kids coming in to help improve us.
Why is everything about winning this week but being average?

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was referring to Brisbanes fall from last year to this year..
watch this space Synners-- we'll be back sooner then you think big boy.
You try winning matches with Fev, Scotland, Campo, Stevens, Thonrton, Livo etc hampered (for whatever reason) for certain periods of the year.

We just need some confidence.. like carazz in the middle watch out for him.

Thats what I can't understand about the posters who are on about us "tanking games", and their argument that supporters will drop off the page.

I wouldn't mind betting their will be a few more Richmond supporters appearing from the woodwork or suddenly a few more passionate, proud and paid up Hawks supporters showing their ugly faces.

Where were these turkeys last year when their list was no good, their coach was no good and their was no light at the end of the tunnel.

Amazing what picks 1 and 3 and first pick in the PSD can to do a teams confidence and performance, and also the perception about the team from both the Media and their own supporters.

The talkback callers and papers last year were full of "Richmond/Hawthorn are shit" type rhetoric. This year its Carlton's turn - the 10 wins last year only painted over the cracks and deflected any negative spin from us to Richmond/Hawthorn.

The wheel will turn - for some quickly for others more slowly - for others a timetable is apparently required.

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

ill be watching out for him but he is no Luke Ball .

Damn! I thought to myself watching the parade of past champions over the weekend.. how we took champions for granted.
How we had so many of them....at the same time at the same place and how we sorely lack them right now. Also, how our supporters seem to think players like Carazzo will ever be a JEsaulenko or a Johnston.
He might be a Phil Maylin or a Ricey...remains to be seen (very good footballers... but we also had a heap of champions and leaders leading the way)

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Thats the problem - in 1981 Maylin was the icing on the cake, was no champion but a good tough honest player in a team of superstars. Rice the same in 1995.

We probably have a few Maylin/Rice equivalents in 2005 (maybe clutching at straws here but I hope you see the point I am trying to make) - but they dont have the level of support to be as effective.

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when we find our Sticks. Sos, Williams etc.. the blokes like Carazzo can be more than handy and they will progress much faster.
In 1987 we won a flag with a shit team overall but some gun core players.
In 1995 we had a core group that dragged through the other youngsters like Kouta Campo Manton Whitehead and Christou... but boy were the core players bloody good players... a few champions in that lot.

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Thats the problem a lot of posters around here think that your Sticks, SOS and Diesels are available around Pick 10 and beyond.

Two of these blokes were in the AFL's Team of the Century (and one should have been ). Just does not happen these days.

But what would I know - I am just advocating tanking games.

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Agree. We have too many on our list that at best, if they fulfill their Full Potential, can only ever be "good ordinary footballers" (as Jack Dyer used to describe them). That is the limit of their ceiling. We don't have enough players on our list that can become out and out champion players- and there's ONLY ONE WAY to ensure you have the BEST CHANCE of getting these types of players-> getting the first few picks in the Draft!

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Lets just hope we dont win five games of footy this year and thats all.... with a percentage around 70%... and pretend we have a gun football side in the making.... and talk about Fung Shui and trenches ......

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The way we're playing Synbad, we'd be lucky to win 2 more games for the year anyway. Just speaking out loud here, but it astounds me that so many posters have such blind faith in this list. Is it because of what we did in the Wizz Cup? Surely, this faith is based on that victory coz I can't think of anything else to base it on.

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