I agree with both of those observations 4thchicken. I was only trying to put Dunstall's comment in some sort of context. I think his comment overall is true, even if the passage of play didn't bear it out. But I figured I needed to avoid that tangent to avoid confusing my main point.

4thchicken ... can you please explain the inconsistencies in the umpiring that appears to be prevalent each week. Inconsistencies between games is bad enough, but when you cop them in the same game it's just not cricket!

I'm sorry I can't think of any specific examples off the top of my head from yesterday, but from the Kangaroos game and the Houla hands in the back on Grant vs the Liegh Brown goal after putting his hands in the back of Thornton.

Can you please explain why holding the ball was not paid in our game yesterday, for either side?

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And on Channel 7, Tim Watson claimed Murph had 'staged' the hold. It's a conspiracy

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It was a pretty good performance, the bulldogs players were in on it as well.

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The Vet...thanks for raising the issue again.

I started a thread a while back suggesting that CFC has an obligation to escalate the issue of unfair treatment of its players.

I've followed footy for long enough to know when someone is getting a raw deal from the umpires.

Fevola is being unfairly sacrificed by the umpires, whereby obvious free kicks right before their eyes are being wavered, and called play on. Yesterday was no exception, just the norm.

Unforgivable and disgraceful situation the umpires are putting themselves in.

It's OK for the AFL senior umpires to play favouritsm and show their bias and collect their $100K, but they do not realise what they are doing to the umpiring fraternity as a whole.

Umpires in senior footy are losing respect for unjust behaviour on their behalf and hatred of umpires at this level just filters down the line.

AFL umpires' in 2007 are the main cause for hatred of umpires.

I've never known it to be so bad...and it's nothing to do with the new rules...it's the umpires that are the problem.

And now young Murphy is beaten from pillar to post, week in week out, and as a ball player we believe he should receive due protection from the umpires (well that's what Geishen says), but Murphy is being given no favours...in fact I would suggest umpires are encouraging opponents to feast on his carcass by not calling a free for Murphs when it's there...he's only 19 yo...they are crucifying this kid too!

What has little 19 yo Murphs done to the umpires?

As previously stated, somebody on our Board must do something about this situation by escalating the obvious with a 'please explain' to the AFL, because Pagan wont do anything to protect his players, or we the supporters will take it in our own hands, or some fruit loop will one day jump the fence and belt an umpire for not protecting the kid as a means to vent their frustration, or just to protect the kid.

Enough is enough!

It's all wrong. We must not stand for this crap dished out to Carlton players week in week out.

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The rules/interpretation lotto that runs each week just means you can settle in and watch a game and never be certain what you're going to get...its ace

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Went to a game between the Kangsas and Saints about 2 years ago and the umpiring was that bad that even every radio station devoted the after match to the umpires.And they were
1 Goldspink
2 McLaren
3 Stevic
and Stevic was the worst.

In relation to Fev and the raw deal he is getting from the umps I think its wrong if the umps dont pay frees to him because he mouths off. If the free is there pay it no mAtter who it is. In the last quarter Morris simply grabbed Fev around the torso with both arms before the flower pill is even kicked to him.

I thought fev showed great restraint. Well done Fev.
As for Stevic @#$%&! off to the bush where you @#$%&! belong.

The umpires are to busy looking after tough ball players like Dale Thomas to worry about soft show ponys like Murphy. If murphy gets a decent hair cut like thomas maybe the umpires will take him serious.

Walker on Akermanis deep in time on in the last quarter - superb tackle.

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Um are we forgetting about their interpretation of what classified as a short throw in that required re-taking?

From my perspective it seemed that the criteria were:

a) if the short throw in is cleared by Carlton, the throw in must be taken again

b) if the short throw in is cleared by the Bulldogs, call play on and allow this to result in a goal

spot on

I'm not going to bother going through each free that should or shouldnt have been paid however there were several instances where contact above the shoulder in the marking duel wasnt paid, instances of in the back that werent paid, head on contact that wasnt paid, holding the man that wasnt paid etc

Fact is - umpiring is going to have an element of human error. Pretty much the only way you will avoid that is if you had 18 on field umps (1 per player/opponent) and even then you would need to have them all on the same page (interpretation of rules, etc). Removing such inconsistencies isnt going to happen - and imagine the umpires are trying their best to be as consistent as possible.

It would help if Gieschen was more prepared to admit when the umpires get it wrong - people are fed up with inconsistent decisions being justified after the event

It is the inconsistances that is annoying - Three very soft frees to the doggies in the first - Fevola and Murphy get pummulled and nothing.

What I have noticed with this hands in the back / over the shoulder / taking out the arms is that if it happens in a one on one it will get pinged every time - If it happens in a pack it usually gets missed - This is where most of Fevolas happen to be when he goes for the ball there are usualy two to three others with him so most of his get missed . Same applies to Barry Hall - Lloyd very rarely flies in a pack he is a leading forward that dives thats why he gets them paid alot

Its a dumb rule and often ruins the game - nothing worse than goals from soft frees

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sorry if it's been mentioned somewhere else but apparently fev has a badly bruised foot but is still expected to play this week.

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totally agree - the umps should have the balls to admit when they make mistakes. Though I think as supporters we go overboard when we imply bias or blatant cheating in the decisions that are paid/not paid.

Murphy is second in the AFL in frees for

yes he gets a raw deal at all times - but we cant scream entirely blue murder when only Daniel Kerr has more free kicks than Murphy given to him so far this year

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

The whole problem with the umps is their inconsistency.

Does that mean verbs thinks that the umps are moderators here?

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Yeah, but they're consistently inconsistent though...