I think a trench looks good in chocolate or camel...belted at the waist...collar turned up.


I would just like to ask all the boys on the site to try and lower the testosterone count a little...it reeks in here today.

Ive only been in for 15 minutes Mrs Cazz... i just finished some reading of my own and answered some questions as well as asked one.
I cant be blamed for todays reek when i havent even been on....

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Wasn't pointing fingers in any one direction Synbad...just a general waft going on.

The stench was already here i just added to it ...

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That says more about the mentatility of the supporters that they were unable to stand back and take an objective look at things and not read too much into a season where every independent football judge (and all the statistics) thought we overacheived given our list, and a few practice match wins.

You're still doing it. You're talking about the Essendon* and Hawthorn wins like they were a real acheivement. We have an hourable draw on the board this season from 9 starts as far as I'm concerned.



That's not a good analogy. Richmond and Hawthorn finished down the bottom because Frawley and Scwabbie were crap coaches. Same goes for the Doggies under Rohde. It wasn't because their list was increadbly worse than the other sides in the bottom 8. They're proving it now.

In 2002 we had a good coach (Brits was hard done by) and a list that was roundly dubbed as the worst wooden spoon side in a decade. In 2003 we won more games but got worse under one of the great coaches of all time. And only because Pagan managed to turn Fevola into some sembelance of a player.

Since our spoon the only players we've added to our list who I think are up to it are Simpon, Fisher, Walker, Stevens and Betts. Maybe Scotland if he pulls his finger out. (2004 draft is excused for the moment). At lot of fans wouldn't even give you Simpson, and Walker still largely gets by on his "potential" That's the sum total of our impovement since 2003.

But its worse than that. We're not even close to competative yet and Kouta, Campo, Lappin and French - four of our best no matter what you think of Campo - are all only a handful of seasons away from retirement. These are the guys we're relying on to get us over the line in all our 6 point victories. We're standing on the edge of the same chasm we were in 2000 but we haven't even climbed out of it from the last time we fell in.

If you want to stick your head in the sand and pretend our list isn't in the bottom two - if not outright worst - in the comp, then feel free. Reality will still be here waiting for you when you're finished.

Some of you are blind we have the worst list without a doubt

Digby
Bannister
Carrazzo
Clarke
Bryan
Mcgrath
Davies
Simpson
Bowyer
Chambers
Johnson
Longmuir
Prenda
Setanta

none of these blokes would get a game at in any other team that is half of our list and the sad thing is none have shown no potential, have no potential and will not get Carlton back to the top. The guys on SEN no allot more than you when it comes to footy they know the little things that make a difference things you and i would not know cause we have never played at a professional level.

How can any of you seriously beleive that we do not have the worst list especially when we have Kouta, Campo, French and Skinny nearing the end those four are our leaders they hold the team, they carry this team once there gone we will be in a bigger hole and the worst is yet to come mark my words we have no other leaders besides Stevo, Fev doesnt want to have a bar of it neither does lance.

I keep harping back to our percentage over the last two years not points.,
The points are a red herring... 10 wins last year actually set us back not took us forward.
Why???

cos the list was poor and we couldnt keep going forward to follow it up.

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Synbad i agree teams must improve there list by 15% each year 2004 list we did 2005 list we didnt. Its time to sitnear the bottom get 3 picks in the op 20 and make some tough decisions on players like Fev, Lance and Campo. The Carton Football Club at the moment is in a tired, run down, stressed and depressive state thats why we need to inject youthfull, young, exciting talent kids who wil give us hope, something to look foward to not rejects from other clubs. We need to inject some life into this club and by bombing out (which i dont think we even have to try) is our answer. Imagine we blood 4 talented young kids along with Walks, Russell, Hartlett, T-bird and Waite thats 9 players that will only know what its like to play for Carlton, just exactly what Carltons about NAVY BLUE BLOOD pumping through there veins thats what we need not rejects who play for themselves.

Fev will be at the club next year.
He is the face of the club and the most marketable player we have.

Dont kid yourselves that the club would trade him off. H would have to do something severely weird... or leave on his own accord.

He will be here...

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Careful nightcrawler, ballistic and Synbad you might get labelled a Richmond supporter round these parts if you dare say anything remotely negative against our list (and no verbs I'm not targetting you, there are others that have called other posters Richmond supporters over the past few weeks).

Oh well, I guess I'd rather better be labelled a Richmond supporter than a Collingwood supporter. You know those typical Pies supporters who delude themselves every year thinking they have a great list, plenty of depth and "she'll be right mate". Speaking of which, where is our good mate ADP these days? I think some of our supporters have got their head stuck in the sand....and I mostly blame that damn, meaningless Wizz Cup competition for that!!!

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I once called Tyrant a Melbourne supporter. He took it quite well...though he was dirty on me for doing so for about 10 minutes.

Some people take themselves very seriously.

I would've been dirty with that Melbourne jibe too verbs.

Seriously though, calling someone a Richmond supporter is a pretty big insult. BlueMark didn't like it when it was implied in one thread that he was a "fairweather supporter". Being called a Richmond supporter is whole lot worse. They are the WORST KIND of fairweather supporter: tearing up memberships, clapping when Kouta did his knee, spitting at coaches and players etc etc. I'm not surprised people got offended by being labelled as such.

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Sometimes you don't realize how much you can hurt someone.

I should use the camelboy approach: "Think...then post".

in away we are at war synbad

and there are some of us that arent prepared to give up when times gets tough and there are some of us that give up at the first sign of trouble.

which one are you?

We arent any good? Lets all surrender? Lets trade our entire list? Lets get kids? Lets get ride of our senior group?

Its not about having our heads in the sand, or not understanding where we are at, but we as a list is certainly alot better than we are currently playing. Ive spoken about this before but everyone seems prepared to dismiss it because it may go against their arguments.

We have yet to field the same team two weeks in a row this year, be that through injury, through suspension or through down on form, where as you like at the sides that are playing decent footy and there is very minimal changes to their sides from one week to the next.

IMO the Wizzer Cup and the first game against North was the catalyst for our problems we face at the moment. We lost our CHB during the wizzer cup, then we lost our FB in the first game, our FF has been suspended for 2 games, and we have still yet to have all 5 of our spine play in the same team this year.

Livingston
Thorton
Koutafidies
Whitnall
Fevola

have all yet to play a game this season together. That is the catalyst of our team, remove one of them from out sqaud and we struggle.

We may have them all back this week, but we are going to be without our key ruckman, which could hurt us, but against Adelaide who dont have the best ruck stocks i dont think it will hurt us that much, would love to see Bryan given a run for an entire game and see how he handles it.

But even if we lost this week and the 5 players have a chance to play together for a game i will be happy, i dont expect the side to start to settle for a few weeks becuase, with one of those players our, alot of our other players are out of position.

Deluca - a prime example - has been playing defense and he isnt a backman. He belongs as a pinch hit ruckmen (thought he did well on saturday) and as a tall forward.

Teague is a handy backmen when he is on the 4th or 5th best forward, not when he is on the 2nd, if he was a foot taller, then perhaps he wouldnt struggle.

Whitnall - has to play CHF, we saw how that can work during the Wizzer Cup - if he is playing defense, which he has had to do this year due to injuries, our forward line stuggles.

It goes on and on.

Until this team gets a run

Carazzo Livingston Teague
Houlahan Thorton Lappin
Walker Koutafidies Simpson
Waite Whitnall Deluca
Betts Fevola Chambers

French, Stevens, Camporeale

int Bryan, McGrath, Sporn, Bentick

emg Norman, Prendagrast, Scotland, O'Halphin

when that teams gets a run this year, and we continue to get pumped and continue to lost games without looking like we are a chance, then and only then will i conceed we are struggling as a team, but field that team and we wont struggle.

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So Prez, essentially what you're saying is that its not fair because we haven't been able to put our best side on the park - and I agree that the above is close to our best side. Well guess what, every side in the comp has that problem. We don't compete in a vaccum where only Carlton suffers from injuries and suspensions. Melbourne were missing Rivers and Miller on the weekend who are part of their structure as well as being sort of handy players in their own right.

You can't say that if we could put our best 22 on the park in our preferred structure then we would be a good side. We MIGHT be, but you don't know, you haven't seen that team on the park under real match conditions, noone has. I admire your blind optimism but your dream will probably never happen.

It's all about depth Prez. We came out of the Wizard Cup telling everyone who would listen, and especially ourselves, that we now had depth. Well we dont. We have no depth whatsoever, and that makes us the worst list in the league because no team keeps its best 22 on the field past the first 2 or 3 weeks if their lucky (Saints couldn't even manage 1).

Most sides have some depth, we're the only one that goes from competative to 70 point drubbings cause Livo isn't in the back line.



Teague - so teague can play on the 5th best forward. Well woop de do. Our entire backline is good if it can play on the 5th best forward. There's only one of those every week though.

Whitnall - hasn't played nine games at CHB. He's spent a great deal of time in the forward line for zero return except for a quarter against Essendon* where he didn't even play at CHF he played out of the goal square.

Deluca - you're right, the ultimate example - can't play defense. Worse, makes other defenders around him worse players when he does. Can barely ruck, if you think a quarter against the Dees where they'd shut up shop makes him a ruckmen then you are dreaming. Doesn't use the ball well around the ground. But worst of all, he isn't even that much of a forward. He has no presense, has marked the ball without double/triple grabbing it about once in 9 games.

When Brad Fisher is fit I would have him in my forward line any day of the week and twice on Saturday ahead of Deluca, and since he can't play anywhere else, what would you do with him?

If we are so one dimensional that Deluca can only play as a forward, Teague can only play on the fourth best forward (and we still have noone to play on the third best even if we can keep T-Bird and Livo on the ground), and Whitnall can only play at CHF then we are cactus mate.

If moving players an inch out of their comfort zone means that we may as well have our Auskick team out there then we have the worst list in the comp by light years.

Well Said Buddy.

I knew we had the worst list in the AFL last year when we won ten games. I don't see what's so surprising about all this.

What makes Collingwood's list any better than ours?

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That they're missing 3 or four of their top 6 or so players. We are missing nobody and still getting flogged.

your totally right NC - everything you say is spot on

i guess we should all give up and if we arent guaranteed of winning the flag every year we should tank becuase if our players arent good enough to win a flag then we are shit, the worst team in the league.

give me strength

you take the Full Forward, CHB and FB out of any team in the league and they will struggle.

There are positions you can cover and then there is positions you cant cover.

Full Foward, Centre Half Forward, Full Back, Centre Half Back are positions you can not cover if they go down injured.

There is not a single team in the AFL that can boast two CHF, two FF, two CHB and two FB.

How good has melbourne been going without their Full Forward?

How good has Port been going without their CHB?

How good has St Kilda been going without their CHF?

How good has Brisbane been without a CHF & FF?

see the pattern?

But - no we are shit, the shittest list in the league actually

move along - just about every team that is flying in the moment has their preferred options in these "Key positions" we have yet to do it this year and people wonder why we are struggling.

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