Couldn't agree with you more on that one

For the last month we have been talking about how "the KIDS" get smashed.

Bannister is exactly the type of player on our list that will help protect our "KIDS".

Well done Banno!

Lets Walker play in the middle too...all good!

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yeh well said...but its a tough spot to be in at the end of this year...we have 12 rounds for ALOT of guys to prove their worth to the club...Russell, Hartlett, Kennedy, Blackwell, Jackson, Bower etc are all showing promise and i think keep them all...but guys like Jacobs, Flint, Raso, Edwards havent played senior footy yet and we all know that there's alot of talent there...deciding who to keep at the end of the year will be some BIG decisions made.


Nic

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Thats correct,they both at a age where the best football should be supporting the kids,if they have improved their skills and attack,you don't know what they are capable of.

Some people can blame a player for losing a game or two but that was last year,look at Jim Stynes he cost Melbourne a spot in a grand final for a mistake but become a champion.

I think some people just like to see all 18-22 year old in the team,but no club could win with kids but it does make it tough for players like Bower,Hartlett and especially Raso surviving,one thing i know if they get cut and are eligable someone would be picked as rookies if not taken.

Thats the problem of a list of 38,some players will have to be cut a minimum of 3,but most clubs will have 4 selections especially a bottom side + 1 upgrade rookie= 5 and the chances are Kotou and Lappin will play on next year to help the kids you would think.

Realistically there will be 5 players delisted no matter where we are,those players we won't know till the end of season.

well how many have to be moved on? whats the min?

i would think kouta will retire and teague will be gone thats for sure

All clubs have to delist 3 but no club at the bottom will delist only 3 only a top side full of champions would and we need to put Ohailipin on the list,so there is no way we only have 2 picks in a draft and not use the PSD.

Lappin will continue playing to good and Kouta is handy playing off the bench and experience,i think poor old Ryan Jackson might not get a spot,only because other midfielders will be targeted in national draft but he could be still re recruited as a rookie if no one picked him.Carlton minimum would be 5 but it could be 7 if we play poor for the rest of season if retirements and 2 rookies get promoted.

Koutoufides - most likely will retire. Bit early in the season to assess whether his body will cope with another season. Right now he is definitely good enough, but you never know in 6 months.

Lappin - should play on. Too good to retire. All class.

Saddington - 50/50 chance he will be delisted I would say

Teague - 100% will be delisted

McLaren - good chance will be delisted, particularly if Sake comes on in the second half of the season.

Wiggins - Too solid to be delisted IMO. I've always been a fan. The soldier we need to free up the youngsters.

Bannister - 70/30 chance will be delisted. Giving his form on Sunday, he should be given more opportunity to show that he is worthy of another contract. I've always thought that he has the ability, just not the brain. Maybe after 4-5 season his brain has caught up to his natural ability.

Hartlett - I don't want him to be delisted, but unless he gets an opportunity later in the year and shows something, he may get delisted. I hope not. I think he is worth persisting with for another year. 40/60 proposition i would say.

Raso - Likely delist unless he shows some serious form in the Ants later this year. He is a young 3rd year player but hasn't shown a heap to this point. Partly due to injuries. Good luck to him.

Flint - Big chance to be delisted given his perceived lack of pace and inability to get a senior game this year so far.

Edwards - I hope that we don't consider delisting him. Looks too talented, just the timing/injuries hasn't seen him get the opportunity he needs.

Rookies that will probably be delisted:
Jackson
Young

Am I Close here? These are just my thoughts and its so early in the season to tell. I hate delisting any players but some hard decisions will need to be made.

I'd promote Jackson. Great engine, decent skills. Your classic modern midfield runner. Really see a place for him in our midfield rotation in the future. Pretty good first game back for the Bullants after a busted hand, too.

What about Cam Cloke guys?...another shoulder reconstruction means he's a little on edge with the injury and having broken my left shoulder twice i know that you never recover (my range of movement means i cant move my shoulder backwards more than 10degrees)


a guy who suprised me, and a few others with his heart early in the year and has alot of time under his belt, but we all know he's no world beater and i raise the question of whether he's going to be at Carlton next year?


Nic

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GONE
Raso- mates played school footy with him and were amazed he got drafted in the first place
McLaren
Teague
Hartlett- I dont see where he can play? How many talls do we need?

I hope Kouta plays on...

4-5 new draft picks, a couple of tradeables (Houla? Waite-- great value trade but would prefer to keep him)

Need Saddington, Bannister, Wiggins in the side- all are talented and are unfairly pigeonholed by a lot of us on here...

The side's starting to take some nice shape at the moment.

isnt there some rule about not being able to get rid of him?

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Unless Sake comes on in leaps and bounds later this year, I would say that we would need to keep one of McLaren or Cloke. Cloke would be ahead of DMac if fit.

I don't think there will be enough spots to promote 2 rookies to the list.

Teague and McLaren are right on the top of the list almost certain and Raso being a very late pick and still not permanent in the league side for the bullants.

Raso would almost be certain could be retained as a rookie,Saddington and Bannister could survive if they make the backline strong,Edwards would be safe for one more year due to injuries and he was starting to show a bit .

Craig Flint is a hard one,he has been injured and coming back and has been only on a year on the list,but he would be put on as a rookie if he was cut,i'll be suprised to see him cut not given a second year.

The only others is Hartlett if he would get another year and if Lappin plays his 200 and decides to call it a day with Kouta.

I think Cameron Cloke might have done enough to survive and Wiggins has a year on his contract,he won't be going no where and Whitnall has another two i'm guessing.

Kouta will play on next year...mark my words.

He is an impact player off the bench and the young kids love having him out there.

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Has anyone considered the possibility that maybe we are further advanced than we all thought?The fact that only 3 or 4 automatic delistings spring to mind indicate that maybe we are starting to aquire some depth.Or am i just being optimistic?

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yes and no...we've gained alot of depth, but alot of the guys we're not wanting to delist but may have to (Flint, Jacko, Edwards, Raso etc) havent played much yet if at all so its a bit of a gamble by delisting them and its a gamble yb keeping them...i think that delisting 5 gives us enough room for the National and Pre-Season Draft.

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This thread has reminded me of something that's been troubling me. WTF happened to Teague? He wins our B&F, is rated as one of the most courageous players in the league, is being considered as Macca's replacement and would seem to be a perfect fit in our search for backmen. Yet he has gone backwards. Why is this? Injuries? Poor form?

teague us underskilled under pressure, he would be terrific as the 4th defender in a top team. the gutsy old fashioned back flanker who would throw his body on the line and block all the holes. in a top team his efforts would be rewarded by the running players and midfielders causing damage. we are not at that stage yet

To slow

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Well can't be sure yet,we delisted a lot of players in those 3 years that now have been replaced,but every year the club wants to get some new faces in there especially 4 picks in the draft and the young guys who haven't set the world on fire in the second or 3rd year will be delisted because we got rid of so many unlike other clubs but the thing is maybe one or two might get picked up by another club and make it. If people think Houilhan and Bentick will get delisted they are really dreaming as some always think should go.