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#9 was Matt Stevic and he was clearly the worst of it.
2 howlers:
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Fevola giving away in the back on Boyd I think, where he locked in a pack in our forward line in the last(?) where he leant on the pack and his knee touching Boyd - no impact at all, and the umpire paid in the pack for kneeing him (Note: no umpire saw Eagleton's fair dinkum knee on Joey Anderson when he laiud a goal-saving tackle in the 3rd - sniper - didn't hurt him, but that's not the issue);
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Fev slipped high with an errant hand tackling Hargraves, giving away free kick - no dramas - free kick, accepted. Hargraves then handballed back to another player, forget who, who Fev tackles to the ground. Umpire pays 50m penalty, as he said, you heard the whistle, yada yada yada. Hargarves chose to play on in my opinion, Fev just laid the tackle. At worst, Fev tackled the player to avoid the umpire paying advantage. This cannot be construed as time wasting, though it certainly would have served tha t purpose, had it been adjudicated correctly. Umpires, as with barry Hall, are so Fevola-conscious they are jumping on everything they can construe as a penalty against him.
Yet, when he plays 'normally, he is having his hands & shoulders chopped incessantly, is being held in marking contests and getting the big Krispy Kreme.

That is all not mention the succession of free kicks that the umpires attempted to ignore on Marc Murphy in the last quarter.

Thank Christ we destroyed the Rubbish Bulldogs, or I would have been livid. I feel better now, I have vented.

Only 'concern' is that the Priority Pick looks to have dissolved.
Now we hope that Richmond take Kreuzer at 1, leaving Cotchin to Carlton at #2.
Please.


No. 2 was the worst...I would argue it wasn't a free as the WB player ducked and Fev's hand slipped up. Also Fev "let go" immediately when the hand slipped up rather than tearing his head off. In most games with most players...50/50. That's how bad Fev's going with the umps. The sunsequent 50m....flowering disgrace...no justification...Club should send a please explain.

Fev will be reported before the season is out. He is starting at CHF opften and if the opposition get the ball he's is running straight through toi either block or lay a tackle. As soon as one "connects" (assuming it's not a 'perfect' teckle) he'll be reported....for no other reason than he'll crush a midfielder when he gets him....and it will be Fev that does it.

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He got at least two in-the-back frees yesterday simply from falling to the ground when tackled and bringing the opposition player down on top of him.


Ponkster its not staging when he is going for the ball and positions himself so beautifully over the ball that the opposition has not other option than to push him in the back.

Lappin has it down to an art and when he doesn't get pushed in the back, he does get pinged for holding the ball!

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He got at least two in-the-back frees yesterday simply from falling to the ground when tackled and bringing the opposition player down on top of him.


Ponkster its not staging when he is going for the ball and positions himself so beautifully over the ball that the opposition has not other option than to push him in the back.

Lappin has it down to an art and when he doesn't get pushed in the back, he does get pinged for holding the ball!


Maybe its a chicken and egg thing - but in my mind he falls and brings the player with him rather than being pushed. Clever play, by all means, but I don't think it should be in the back.

I'd be ropeable if it was paid against us, let's put it that way.


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You must have been pretty ropable a few times yesterday then. :P

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You must have been pretty ropable a few times yesterday then. :P


Me? Naaahh.....cool as a cucumber the whole game I was :lol:


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The umpiring is BAD EVERY WEEK - so we should not be shocked and nor should Fev.


Not a truer word has been uttered today.


All umpiring performances are created woefully, some are just more woeful than the others. :P

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It's funny, but in my long history of watching the game, I don't recall the umpires being either so obvious or iappearing to mpact the games quite as often as they are at the moment.

I seem to recall the addage was that if the umpire did a good job, you didn't notice them. That certainly cant be said of them yesterday. they were their own entertainment - It was a third team.

I heard a view put (someone on SEN) that we should go back to two umpires, and then the lesser free kicks wouldn't get paid, only the obvious ones.

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The contrast in holding the ball decisions yesterday compared to the Adelaide game was unbelievable.

Was there even a holding the ball decision payed yesterday?

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Was there even a holding the ball decision payed yesterday?


I don't remember one. It was surreal watching players lie on top of the ball and expecting to hear a whistle that never came when it's what I've been conditioned to in recent years.

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Was there even a holding the ball decision payed yesterday?


I don't remember one. It was surreal watching players lie on top of the ball and expecting to hear a whistle that never came when it's what I've been conditioned to in recent years.


I agree, can't recall any.

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I hate that the umpires have favourites... you just know that golden boys like Lloyd, Hird, Judd etc will always be favoured by umps while players like Fev, 'Big Bustling Barry' Hall and the 'Big Hairy Cat' Cam Mooney have to practically be decapitated before the 'little maggots' consider whether or not to pay them a free. Pathetic!!

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I dont know what the rules of the game are this year. Can we go back to VFL rules pls pls pls

What l dont understand with demertriou, he rambles on about making the game attractive, but then they bring in ridiculous rule changes to make it a cleaner game and all its done has made the game less attractive to watch. Well done the AFL, keep up the good work.

By 2010 there will be 8 more rule changes with a rules commitee designed to change rules to keep their jobs.

There are that many rules in the AFL now that an umpire can call a few kick every 30secs. I'm starting to think soccer maybe the great australian sport soon with this crap
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the murph "wheelbarrow" incident as I have dubbed it is really bothering me.
The goal he kicked doesn't compensate the treatment he had and the long minute it took until the flowering ump paid the free. The incident happened right in front of me and I don't know who was more traumatized murph or the crowd behind him.


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the murph "wheelbarrow" incident as I have dubbed it is really bothering me.
The goal he kicked doesn't compensate the treatment he had and the long minute it took until the flowering ump paid the free. The incident happened right in front of me and I don't know who was more traumatized murph or the crowd behind him.



I must have been sitting near you - it was a disgrace - watching the umpire right there waving 'play on, play on' as Murph was towing the WB player along like he was a water-skier and Murph was the boat...I couldn't believe it

The umpiring this season has been the worst I can recall


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Watching the replay of the incident and seeing the crowd reaction - there was one guy who had four fingers up [on one hand that is] to say that he counted four flowering free kicks just then!

With the AFL's obsession in keeping the game constantly moving, the umpires are letting a lot of frees go thru to the keeper.

I loathe this guy, but Sam Newman is right - they are ruining the game.

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I loathe this guy, but Sam Newman is right - they are ruining the game.


And look what happened to him when he started overly criticising the umpires.... he was gagged. The truth hurts those ditzy little primadonnas (umpires).

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Was there even a holding the ball decision payed yesterday?


I don't remember one. It was surreal watching players lie on top of the ball and expecting to hear a whistle that never came when it's what I've been conditioned to in recent years.


just wait a couple of weeks - they will change the interpretation back again and then wonder why fans and players get upset


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I agree he gets a raw deal. But he's brought it on himself to a large degree.

It was very unwise for him to smile and laugh with Mal Michael after playing for and getting a soft free kick for hands in the back at the beginning of the NAB Cup. It was shown in close up on the TV . The umps tend to remember being conned or mocked in that fashion. Fortunately, the same thing is happening to Lindsay Thomas now. You could hit him over the head with a sledgehammer and he won't get a free kick.

Unfortunately, he's exacerbated this by going over the top in his whinging about the failure of umpires to pay a free to him. By failing to go after the ball, he's let them off the hook as the umps would know that he would be the object of derision from non-Carlton footy fans rather than them.

He now needs to do his time and take it on the chin. Hopefully after a while, he'll be back in the good books and get the soft free-kicks that Lloyd gets.


That's ridiculous! Be a good boy and we'll give you free kicks. How about they just umpire by the rules?

Agreed. That would be ideal. But we know that in practice this sort of stuff happens. You have to deal with the reality.

I listened to MMM at the game, and IIRC Kouta wasn't paid a mark in the goalmouth and then ran away from goal and was tackled and didn't dispose of the ball correctly. We grabbed the loose ball and kicked a goal. Dunstall was asked about whether Kouta should have been pinged. He said it was one of those 50/50s, and the umpire probably gave us the benefit of the doubt because he didn't pay the mark. To the comment that this isn't how decisions to be made and that the rules had to be applied independently of previous incidents, Dunstall said he accepted that but it is the way that umpires think and always has been. I reckon he's spot on.

So Fev can tilt at windmills and complain that things aren't ideal, or he can get on with business and do the best thing by the club and himself.


The kouta mark was paid touched (wiggo floated across and touched it) - disposal looked ok to me (watched the game twice) so was a non issue i dont think. wouldnt believe everything u listen to on radio - used to be a fan of MMM though they are horrible now, 3AW aint much chop either.


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Fevola got an armchair ride during the NAB Cup and I remember posting if he got that sort of interpretation of the rules he would easily kick 100 goals this season - the stupid arse clowns at the Umpiring Department have clearly been told to be harsher on the likes of Fev and Hall from around Round 2 or 3 onwards.

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billc3 wrote:
barrel47 wrote:
#9 was Matt Stevic and he was clearly the worst of it.
2 howlers:
(1):
Fevola giving away in the back on Boyd I think, where he locked in a pack in our forward line in the last(?) where he leant on the pack and his knee touching Boyd - no impact at all, and the umpire paid in the pack for kneeing him (Note: no umpire saw Eagleton's fair dinkum knee on Joey Anderson when he laiud a goal-saving tackle in the 3rd - sniper - didn't hurt him, but that's not the issue);
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Fev slipped high with an errant hand tackling Hargraves, giving away free kick - no dramas - free kick, accepted. Hargraves then handballed back to another player, forget who, who Fev tackles to the ground. Umpire pays 50m penalty, as he said, you heard the whistle, yada yada yada. Hargarves chose to play on in my opinion, Fev just laid the tackle. At worst, Fev tackled the player to avoid the umpire paying advantage. This cannot be construed as time wasting, though it certainly would have served tha t purpose, had it been adjudicated correctly. Umpires, as with barry Hall, are so Fevola-conscious they are jumping on everything they can construe as a penalty against him.
Yet, when he plays 'normally, he is having his hands & shoulders chopped incessantly, is being held in marking contests and getting the big Krispy Kreme.

That is all not mention the succession of free kicks that the umpires attempted to ignore on Marc Murphy in the last quarter.

Thank Christ we destroyed the Rubbish Bulldogs, or I would have been livid. I feel better now, I have vented.

Only 'concern' is that the Priority Pick looks to have dissolved.
Now we hope that Richmond take Kreuzer at 1, leaving Cotchin to Carlton at #2.
Please.


No. 2 was the worst...I would argue it wasn't a free as the WB player ducked and Fev's hand slipped up. Also Fev "let go" immediately when the hand slipped up rather than tearing his head off. In most games with most players...50/50. That's how bad Fev's going with the umps. The sunsequent 50m....flowering disgrace...no justification...Club should send a please explain.

Fev will be reported before the season is out. He is starting at CHF opften and if the opposition get the ball he's is running straight through toi either block or lay a tackle. As soon as one "connects" (assuming it's not a 'perfect' teckle) he'll be reported....for no other reason than he'll crush a midfielder when he gets him....and it will be Fev that does it.


shows how biased some of you guys are

Umpire called a free for too high - the ball spilled to another WB player who then got tackled. The 50m was there.

I agree the knee in the back was soft contact - however it is something that needs to be paid everytime. The potential for injury (and severity from such injuries) from such contact is fairly high so the AFL would want a strict interpretation of that rule

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(Note: no umpire saw Eagleton's fair dinkum knee on Joey Anderson when he laiud a goal-saving tackle in the 3rd - sniper - didn't hurt him, but that's not the issue);


we actually got away with that one - the tackle was applied incorrectly and at no stage did anderson have his hands above eagletons waist. It started around midthigh and ended around his ankles - it should have been called a trip.

Overall there were some missed frees to both teams - it happens every week. Fev gave away 3 frees - 2 of which were 50m penalties. All 3 of them were there, and in all 3 cases could have been avoided (the one discussed above - hard to avoid contact, but the subsequent 50m should definitely have been avoided)

Also for those who think I'm purely antifev - the first time I watched it, I thought Fev had a horrible game - second viewing I thought he was servicable. What didnt change, was that the opinion on the 3 frees he gave away and not chasing/bitching a few times.


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