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Any body seen A davey play Now that what No 1 picks are sopposed to do..

Interesting then that Davey had to wait until Pick 36 before anyone thought of calling his name out.

There's just something about Gibbs..... I think he'll be special.


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Frank my man how many games of footy have you watched in your life.

Dont compare a 18 year old with a 22 year old.

Gibbs at 22 will be more then you can dream


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Mitch Clark was pretty damned good on Saturday night, improved a lot after shanking a few shots and probably an easy choice for this round's rising star.

Bryce had his best game for us so far on Saturday, very pleasing signs! He'll get a nomination by the time the season is out I've not doubt.

Clearly what Frank said is just a wind-up. :lol:


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Great thinking there 99 :lol:

You'd take a 23 year old who stands at 172 cm and weighs just 70 kg over a bloke who's just turned 18 and who stands at 188 cm and weighs 79 kg.

Hmmm ... I wonder who has more development left in them ...

frank.st obviously likes to think long term :lol:


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Personally I couldnt care less if he gets a nomination or not, he is going to be a star. Gibbs and Selwood to me are the standouts in last years draft. The NRS is ridiculous anyway, should only be available to first year players, the fact that Pearce was able to win last year says to me the award is flawed.

Anyway, whether BG wins it this year or not, I think we have got ourselves a topliner!!!!


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All you guys must be all smokin something or a in denial. Gibbs a Star? Gibbs like Andrew Mckay..
I havent seen anything yet to suggest that Gibbs is anything but a steady a she goes type player. can anybody enlighten me as to what BG strenghts are?, He is not overly quick, cant take a big grab, as minimal elusive skills courage stilll questionable obviously currently very overawed and constistently being beaten by his opponent week in week out. Has good disposal skills, Overall bit rich i reckon for No 1 pick.. yeah I can hear you all howling, he still only YOUNG,but at this stage weve been sold a furphy by Adelaide.. Any body seen A davey play Now that what No 1 picks are sopposed to do..


Go back to the 2001 draft where Luke Hodge - a smart creative midfielder with poise and excellent disposal was taken pick 1 - and Ashley Sampi - an exciting fwd pocket with plenty of flash and a bag of tricks, was taken pick 6. People took 2-3 years to see what Hodge could do but Sampi was 'electrifying' from day dot. The point is, flashy fwd pockets are worth shit all; they may get bums on the edges of seats and snap a few timely goals but have more than one in your team and you'll be exploited. Meanwhile Luke Hodge provides delivery from the backline, muscle in the center and broke a game open on the weekend with 3 quick goals, and if you can't see the Hodge-like qualities in Gibbs, you're not looking hard enough!


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frank.st wrote:
All you guys must be all smokin something or a in denial. Gibbs a Star? Gibbs like Andrew Mckay..
I havent seen anything yet to suggest that Gibbs is anything but a steady a she goes type player. can anybody enlighten me as to what BG strenghts are?, He is not overly quick, cant take a big grab, as minimal elusive skills courage stilll questionable obviously currently very overawed and constistently being beaten by his opponent week in week out. Has good disposal skills, Overall bit rich i reckon for No 1 pick.. yeah I can hear you all howling, he still only YOUNG,but at this stage weve been sold a furphy by Adelaide.. Any body seen A davey play Now that what No 1 picks are sopposed to do..


Go back to the 2001 draft where Luke Hodge - a smart creative midfielder with poise and excellent disposal was taken pick 1 - and Ashley Sampi - an exciting fwd pocket with plenty of flash and a bag of tricks, was taken pick 6. People took 2-3 years to see what Hodge could do but Sampi was 'electrifying' from day dot. The point is, flashy fwd pockets are worth shit all; they may get bums on the edges of seats and snap a few timely goals but have more than one in your team and you'll be exploited. Meanwhile Luke Hodge provides delivery from the backline, muscle in the center and broke a game open on the weekend with 3 quick goals, and if you can't see the Hodge-like qualities in Gibbs, you're not looking hard enough!


And that's all she wrote! Great post... took the words right out of my mouth.

Watch Gibbs' reading of the play and body position. He gets the pill and steps to the right spot every time. His brain and skills are the key to his game, not so much his speed. There are different types of speed... raw foot speed (ala Davey) and speed at which the brain makes a decision and executes it (ala Gibbs). I would always take a footballer over an athlete. Gibbs at 21 is going to be a gun. A play maker. A leader.


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If he plays well this week, he should get it.

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frank.st wrote:
can anybody enlighten me as to what BG strenghts are?






GIBBS said to him, "Receive your sight; your faith has healed you." Immediately he received his sight and followed GIBBS, praising GIBBS. When all the people saw it, they also praised GIBBS.

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frank.st wrote:
All you guys must be all smokin something or a in denial. Gibbs a Star? Gibbs like Andrew Mckay..
I havent seen anything yet to suggest that Gibbs is anything but a steady a she goes type player. can anybody enlighten me as to what BG strenghts are?, He is not overly quick, cant take a big grab, as minimal elusive skills courage stilll questionable obviously currently very overawed and constistently being beaten by his opponent week in week out. Has good disposal skills, Overall bit rich i reckon for No 1 pick.. yeah I can hear you all howling, he still only YOUNG,but at this stage weve been sold a furphy by Adelaide.. Any body seen A davey play Now that what No 1 picks are sopposed to do..

:shock:

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TOUCHE


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TOUCHE

Is that the French Touche' or a typo for Douche?
As I didn't watch the game I have been told I shouldn't comment on it by some of our more esteemed posters who know everything there is to know, including one of the moderators..... but I think I am allowed to say that from the radio call, Gibbs had his best game for us. The commentators were eulogising about him a couple of times; his poise in particular. I think they were the same commentators who were accused by the above know-it-alls of not knowing anything about football so now I am confused :?

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Somby, i guarantee you'll be happy when you watch the game. He's class really did shine through. He has excellent balance and poise. And his use of the ball was first rate. Don't recall any clangers.


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Three weeks to wait. From what I have seen of him on the various replays, incl the NAB Cup games, he has a feel for it. His first game was good and the look-away handball to Waite against Richmond was something Barry Cable would have done. Or Diesel. It just goes to prove, though, that he plays better when he doesn't have to worry too much about his opponent kicking a goal every time he makes an error. I wish they would put him in the midfield for a bit so that Murphy has one more person to help out.
He will not get a rising star award playing back pocket because he doesn't get the chance to show off his wares.

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Nah he was on a flank on the weekend and it suited him nicely. Beating his opponent and providing rebound. Not quite solid enough for the midfield, although I would also love to see him in there for stints. Just don't want him to get clobbered like Murph. He is barely 18 we forget.


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YUP!

Loved Gibbs game this weekend. And i loved the 'Hodge' referal somebody brought up before. Gibbs was pretty much bottom aged when we drafted him so i was always expecting him to take a bit.

But as crap as the RS is................i'd still like to see him get a nomination.

And nytdog....................to extend the conversation we had last week.....THAT'S the Bryce Gibbs i watched last year. He just looked so much more comfortable, focused & creative, don't you think?

I guess that's what i was trying to say to you last week but perhaps stuffed up in my comunication.
I'm not expecting or demanding him to rack up 36possesions and 5 goals like that infamous game last year, i'm just saying that his development would be better suited on the Half-back flank/centre/wing areas of the game rather than at full back like he was previous weeks.

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Agreed. He looks better on the half back line. More space around him to be creative in.


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Gibbs was very influential in the 3rd quarter on Saturday. Twice he was responsible for goals through his creativeness off half back.

Agree 100% with nytdog on his positioning, and you get an even better perspective at the game of how he positions off the ball to advantage his teammates. He's also the first to encourage/congratulate teammates, REAL leadership qualities. He made a spoil in the last quarter that was outrageous, he was out of position but got his fist in there. Not many players who have played the game could have done that.

I hope he doesn't get a RS nomination, it's great he is playing really good footy without the fanfare as opposed to last year. He has something that I have rarely seen in footballers, his class and poise remind of Robert Harvey when I first saw him.

Wathcing the replay, Tony Shaw twice gasped at passages of play involving Gibbs.

It's amazing that posters judge 9 game players (in fact, TAC players) like they have been playing the game for years.

BTW, the reference to Sampi and Hodge was a beauty. What is Sampi up to these days, should we consider him ......

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I'm not sold on Bryce Gibbs yet but I wont be going as far as FrankS to be over critical as its early days yet and we didnt recruit Gibbs to be a half back flanker so he needs to be judged on what he does when he plays in his true position of ruckrover and resting forward.

The Bar is set very high for Gibbs.....its at the Nathan Buckley level IMHO and thats about where he needs to end up when he peaks...
He will be scrutinised closely and expected to deliver being such a hyped up NO 1 pick and it wont be easy for him but thats the nature of the business.

re: Davey....For pick 36 Essendon* got their money's worth but he is an accessory player only and not a core player like Gibbs will be expected to be.
He is also a highlight reel player which can give a false impression of his worth.......Essendon* wont be winning flags on the back of Davey, it will be a player like Gumbleton who will be carrying that tag, and he will be under the same pressure as Gibbs....

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Gibbs is this:

Great Thinker
Reads the Play
Leader already
Respected by peers
One of the best disposal players at the club.
Plays his defender close checking
Good tackler

Its a pretty good resume to have as a 18 yo player. If more of Carlton Players had those characteristics then the club wouldnt be where it is today.

Did l misread this, at the AIS, they had 10m sprints out of all the rookies and he was in the top 3 with 2.70secs? is that correct?.

When you watch him play he doesnt look like he is that quick, he jogs around, but if that is true thats a pretty quick first step that you need around packs.


Patrick Ryder has already won the NORISH or Pendlebury if he qualifies. Gibbs doesn't stand out in the backline.


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