Rather than everyone falling over themselves to criticise Campo - criticism I think he does deserve - why not take on Molsey's original point about Kouta. On Saturday his effort was superhuman - not like the old days before the wonky knees when he could do what mere mortals could not - but something even better. The way he won contested ball in the middle showed he has reinvented himself as the best clearance player in the competition. Those of us who first glimpsed him as a reserves player with the physique of a god have been blessed to watch him at his soaring glorious best (circa 1999/2000/2001) and have now had the joy of watching him change his game and still have an incredible influence on the team when most "experts" had him at the glue-factory at the beginning of the year.

Never take Kouta for granted - we will probably never see his like again.

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Considering Camporeale had the most effective kicks by a Carlton player, and the second most effective kicks on the ground, I'm guessing his opponent got the most effctive kicks on the ground? Or if he had multiple opponents, all of their effctive kicks added up to more than Camporeale's?

I don't think what Campo does with the ball has ever been the question, it is what he does when we don't have the ball

Is that code or something?
Do all the first letter spell out a players name?

Perhaps Campo deserves criticism for a loose, unaccountable effort.
Who were his opponents and what impact did they have?

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That's the stats BV. Camporeale played a loose unaccountable game where he had the most effective kicks of any Carlton player, by a long way mind you, and the second most effective kicks on the ground. No code there -- objctive hard cold stats. No emotion involved. Plus he was in the top 5 for the game fo kicks into and out of 50. Given that 80% of his kicks were effective, and they were the second most effective kicks in the game by a single player -- no wonder they neded to put more than one opponent on him.

So who were his opponents? I tnd to focus on the Blues players when watching, I wouldn't know half the Melbourne team. The only player to have more effective kicks was Johnstone, who was brilliant. Was he playing on Camporeale? I have the game on tape. Please advise of the effectivenss of Camporeale's opponents BV. It will be an interesting study.

Agree guys...that's certainly what everyone is saying...NO defensive pressure from our midfielders or our forwards.

Mentioned in another post about Betts running chasing to CHB almost ever time and absolutely wasting himself. He's so knackered it takes him out of the game for 5 minsutes each time...WHERE are the others who should be doing it.

Kouta was at his absolute best and if he was playing in a better side (and we had one) we would have ranked it with the North game or even the WCE game.

As for Campo...it ois probably instruction to get it to Stevens or Campo for delivery into the forward line (who takes our kickins? ).... That's why he's always "hanging out the back"...doesn't excuse the lack of defensive pressure. It was also good to see Simpson on the ground for a while and I'm sure will be able to "fill the hole" of delivery so maybe Campo will be "rested " in the back line occassionally.



BTW - Thought we looked best yesterday with Bentick, Simmo in the middle

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Agree guys...that's certainly what everyone is saying...NO defensive pressure from our midfielders or our forwards.

Mentioned in another post about Betts running chasing to CHB almost ever time and absolutely wasting himself. He's so knackered it takes him out of the game for 5 minsutes each time...WHERE are the others who should be doing it.

Kouta was at his absolute best and if he was playing in a better side (and we had won) we would have ranked it with the North game or even the WCE game.

As for Campo...it ois probably instruction to get it to Stevens or Campo for delivery into the forward line (who takes our kickins? ).... That's why he's always "hanging out the back"...doesn't excuse the lack of defensive pressure. It was also good to see Simpson on the ground for a while and I'm sure will be able to "fill the hole" of delivery so maybe Campo will be "rested " in the back line occassionally.



BTW - Thought we looked best yesterday with Bentick, Simmo in the middle

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That would make 2 of you Verbs.
Campo didnt know who his opponents were most of the time.
Perhaps Campo, like you considers stats the only guide to a good game?

Until he was injured, Campo's opponent was Nathan Brown.
Brown creates play. He is a link man who runs hard to space, creates a an option and often draws a player to create a loose man.

Campo accumulates possessions.
He stands next to his teammates and demands the ball off someone who already has time and space to use it.
He runs to zones instead of staying with his opponent, thus letting his teammates pick up his man.

One player accumulates "effective disposals".
The other creates play. Thats why Neale Daniher values Nathan Brown so much.

Kouta had less "effective disposals" than Campo on Saturday.
Does that make campo the better player on the day?
I think not.

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Campo is a gutless bludger who runs around trying to avoid contact at all costs.

Noticed on Saturday how he pulls up so he doesn't get to a contest in time to tackle a player.

What sort of message is this sending to the younger players?

A shithouse one!

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Hmm...that's rather vague, no specifics, just "Brown does this, Camporeale does that". If I get the chance I will watch the tape during the week and determine how many times Brown "created" play, and what impact that had on the game, relative to Camporeale's. Obviously this will have to take into account Camporeale's handpass to a teammate followed by a heavy shepheard on a Melbourne player early in the game. Is that what you mean by creating play? That should hopefully make things a little more specific. rather than this airy fairy stuff.

Enjoy your tape Verbs.

I'll go by "airy fairy stuff" like when Melbourne has possession and Campo runs off to where he expects the ball to go.
Meanwhile Brown makes position, recieves the ball and Nick Stevens has to run in to pressure Brown.
James McDonald (he was Stevos opponent, I know that means nothing to you) then shepherds and Melbourne are away.

The tape wont show you Campo being 40 metres away Verbs because the camera was following the ball.
The ball in Nathan Browns hand.

Interestingly player accountability, not requiring your teammates to cover for you and manning up when the opposition are in possession is "airy fairy stuff".
You dont worry who plays on who because its all "vague"

I would think Denis would be concerned with this "airy fairy stuff".

"Dont worry about picking up your man Scotty, thats airy fairy stuff. We dont know who you played on but hey, we dont know half the Melbourne team!!"

" The most important thing is you picked up 22 effective disposals!"

Enjoy your tape Verbs, you'll make a great coach one day.

Perhaps instead of calling people "richmond supporters" you should watch the game.

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What quarter did all this happen? Did it only happen once? Twice? Five times? Airy fairy pansy crap with no substance.

I feel very comfortable calling "people" richmond supporters. It's very apt.

Yes I know you do Verbs.
Same as last week when you were having cracks about TC being a community.
You demonstrated the chip on your shoulder then.
Whats the problem, are you carrying hurt from TBV?
Get it off your chest.

You're here to troll and stir shit Verbs.
Nothing more.

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Oh? Really? How sad you are BV. Chip on my shoulder -- seems like a pot calling a kettle black to me. Seems like you're the only one who took offense at the "cracks" as you put them. Nobody else read it as a "crack". I've got no hurt from TBV.

And if you call arguing against the negativity and bullshit aimed at Carlton players trolling, then I'm guilty as charged.

Someone seems a little paranoid to me.

Quite right Verbs.
We're 15th on the ladder. We're getting flogged by average opposition.
Lets not be negative.
Campo got 22 effective possessions.

You call posters "richmond supporters" because they criticise players.
Players who deserve criticism and would be getting plenty from Denis.

Perhaps you should arm yourself with some knowledge other than the stats sheet.
You didnt see the game, you dont know who anyone played on and you dont know half the opposition.
Accountability and defensive application is all airy fairy stuff to you.

Supporters have a right to be pissed off.
They have a right to criticise sub standard efforts.

You're jibe was weak and poor form.

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Campos role is as an outside link player, His job is to run to position and create the loose man and he does it very well. 22 effective disposals is an indication of how good he is at that. That fact the we are turning over the footy in the contest is not something that Campo can do much about, that is up to the player in the contest to avoid.

Campo did pull up on the weekend and it was to avoid cleaning up Bret who was coming the other way. That was smart not gutless. Wish either Fev or Whits had done the same in the 3rd when they spoiled each other costing us a shot on goal.

But then Campo has been a whipping boy since he joined the club. Been hearing the 'to soft' 'tag since he first started. Ten years later he is still racking up 20 possessions a game and that is no mean feat.

BTW You teach junior fotballers and expect them to execute the basic skill of running past and taking the handball from a free kick or mark particularly across the back and midfield lines. To crititise a league player for doing is just that is ..........

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Come on Mark.
You know I'm not knocking Campo for running past or creating play.
We need more players doing so.

But one of the very basics of football is accountability.
If the opposition have the ball, you man up.
If not your opponent, get the closest free player.
Scott needs to man up when the ball is in dispute or if the opposition have control of it.
That is also a basic of football.

Juniors also need to understand discipline, maintaining structure and accountability.
It doesnt just apply to some.

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Do not disagree re manning up, it seems to be a skill that the entire team lacks. It frustrates me to to see so many loose players when the ball is being moved downfield.

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Mark he might be an outide player but he must be responsible, in fcat as a leader he must be really responsible.

This year campo has not wroked hard to cover a loose player, classic for me was the geelong game, now gary Ab was not his man but Campo was close, real close, and he saw that Johnno was trying to plug a hole but rather than run to cover gary he yelled at Johnno, Johnno then tried tyo cover both gary and fill the hole.

result ? easy goal.

Too often campo (though he is not alone) jogs not sprints after players. He exerts no pressure and their skills are then sublime.

As i stress to my son week in and week on, run hard, put pressure on them, watch the mistakes that come.

Campo does many thinsg well but defensively he hurts this side because he will not take responsibility and he is, as i sad, a leader.

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Do not disagree Danny, it is frustrating. Someone (Dennis) said on the weekend that our turnovers are killing us because there is little pressure put on at the break and would I be very happy to see players dragged if they did not do it. It is an area the Campo could do better in as well as his teamates.

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