Carey's Blues

Mark J · **Posted:** Mon May 28, 2007 8:30 pm

Listening to Carey on 3AW tonight,i feel he has a soft spot for the Blues,stating that we were 2/3 years away from being a top side,that we were on the right track.
However, he then said that Ross Lyon was doing the best he could with what he had available.I would consider that our CURRENT best 22 is better than the Saints CURRENT best 22.They've won 4 ,we've won 2.

Next off he said that the Roos & Magpies youngsters had really stood up this year,so why do ours take so long to develop?
I would argue that our list is at least equal to the Pies,& better than the Roos.
Is it just our coaching panel,or are we missing something else :?:

winfieldblue · **Joined:** Sat Dec 30, 2006 7:34 am **Posts:** 991

we have no center half back, no ruck.. we need to see what grigg can do.

the clubs that carey mentioned dont turn over the ball as frequently as we do,

SA Blue · **Posted:** Mon May 28, 2007 8:48 pm

Mark J wrote:

Listening to Carey on 3AW tonight,i feel he has a soft spot for the Blues,stating that we were 2/3 years away from being a top side,that we were on the right track.
However, he then said that Ross Lyon was doing the best he could with what he had available.I would consider that our CURRENT best 22 is better than the Saints CURRENT best 22.They've won 4 ,we've won 2.

Next off he said that the Roos & Magpies youngsters had really stood up this year,so why do ours take so long to develop?
I would argue that our list is at least equal to the Pies,& better than the Roos.
Is it just our coaching panel,or are we missing something else :?:

Our problem is not our kids but the lack of leadership and hard players in the mid to late 20's that enable the kids of the Pies and Roos to play well. An example is the best players for both these teams. The kids aren't winning for these teams, but the senior group. I would like to see how Pendlebury and Swallow would go getting tagged each week!

Best players from the weekend listed in the paper for the respective games.

BEST: Collingwood: Lockyer, Johnson, O'Bree, Burns, Prestigiacomo, Pendlebury.

BEST Kangaroos: Grant, Harvey, Gibson, Swallow, Rawlings, Simpson.

DIAMOTISM · **Posted:** Mon May 28, 2007 8:54 pm

Mark J wrote:

Listening to Carey on 3AW tonight,i feel he has a soft spot for the Blues,stating that we were 2/3 years away from being a top side,that we were on the right track.
However, he then said that Ross Lyon was doing the best he could with what he had available.I would consider that our CURRENT best 22 is better than the Saints CURRENT best 22.They've won 4 ,we've won 2.

Next off he said that the Roos & Magpies youngsters had really stood up this year,so why do ours take so long to develop?
I would argue that our list is at least equal to the Pies,& better than the Roos.
Is it just our coaching panel,or are we missing something else :?:

From St.Kilda, put Baker, Hayes, Dalsanto, Fisher & Rewoldt in the Navy Blue jumper and we would be in the top 8 right now.

As with Collingwood, they have better everything than us so it is hard to compete with them. They have the money to invest in recruiting and Eddie brags that Collingwood has the biggest recruiting team in the AFL. Maybe this has something to do with it. If they got rid of hot and cold players like Rocca then they would be a better team.

Navy One · **Posted:** Mon May 28, 2007 9:04 pm

SA Blue wrote:

Mark J wrote:

Listening to Carey on 3AW tonight,i feel he has a soft spot for the Blues,stating that we were 2/3 years away from being a top side,that we were on the right track.
However, he then said that Ross Lyon was doing the best he could with what he had available.I would consider that our CURRENT best 22 is better than the Saints CURRENT best 22.They've won 4 ,we've won 2.

Next off he said that the Roos & Magpies youngsters had really stood up this year,so why do ours take so long to develop?
I would argue that our list is at least equal to the Pies,& better than the Roos.
Is it just our coaching panel,or are we missing something else :?:

Our problem is not our kids but the lack of leadership and hard players in the mid to late 20's that enable the kids of the Pies and Roos to play well. An example is the best players for both these teams. The kids aren't winning for these teams, but the senior group. I would like to see how Pendlebury and Swallow would go getting tagged each week!

BEST: Collingwood: Lockyer, Johnson, O'Bree, Burns, Prestigiacomo, Pendlebury.

BEST Kangaroos: Grant, Harvey, Gibson, Swallow, Rawlings, Simpson.

You need to add James Clement to that Collingwood list. Probably one of the best defenders going around.

Mark J · **Posted:** Mon May 28, 2007 9:07 pm

DIAMOTISM wrote:

Mark J wrote:

Listening to Carey on 3AW tonight,i feel he has a soft spot for the Blues,stating that we were 2/3 years away from being a top side,that we were on the right track.
However, he then said that Ross Lyon was doing the best he could with what he had available.I would consider that our CURRENT best 22 is better than the Saints CURRENT best 22.They've won 4 ,we've won 2.

Next off he said that the Roos & Magpies youngsters had really stood up this year,so why do ours take so long to develop?
I would argue that our list is at least equal to the Pies,& better than the Roos.
Is it just our coaching panel,or are we missing something else :?:

From St.Kilda, put Baker, Hayes, Dalsanto, Fisher & Rewoldt in the Navy Blue jumper and we would be in the top 8 right now.

As with Collingwood, they have better everything than us so it is hard to compete with them. They have the money to invest in recruiting and Eddie brags that Collingwood has the biggest recruiting team in the AFL. Maybe this has something to do with it. If they got rid of hot and cold players like Rocca then they would be a better team.

Regardless of the Saints players you mentioned ,i still think our current best 22 is better than theirs.No Harvey,Maguire,Hudgton,Goddard,etc,etc.
As for the Pies,O'bree,Davis,Holland,Presti,Maxwell,are all average players.

TruBlueBrad · **Posted:** Mon May 28, 2007 9:25 pm

I thionk you vastly overrate our list as it currently is.

camel · **Posted:** Mon May 28, 2007 10:34 pm

SA Blue wrote:

Mark J wrote:

Listening to Carey on 3AW tonight,i feel he has a soft spot for the Blues,stating that we were 2/3 years away from being a top side,that we were on the right track.
However, he then said that Ross Lyon was doing the best he could with what he had available.I would consider that our CURRENT best 22 is better than the Saints CURRENT best 22.They've won 4 ,we've won 2.

Next off he said that the Roos & Magpies youngsters had really stood up this year,so why do ours take so long to develop?
I would argue that our list is at least equal to the Pies,& better than the Roos.
Is it just our coaching panel,or are we missing something else :?:

Our problem is not our kids but the lack of leadership and hard players in the mid to late 20's that enable the kids of the Pies and Roos to play well. An example is the best players for both these teams. The kids aren't winning for these teams, but the senior group. I would like to see how Pendlebury and Swallow would go getting tagged each week!

Best players from the weekend listed in the paper for the respective games.

BEST: Collingwood: Lockyer, Johnson, O'Bree, Burns, Prestigiacomo, Pendlebury.

BEST Kangaroos: Grant, Harvey, Gibson, Swallow, Rawlings, Simpson.

Agreed.

Apart from the possibly dubious premiership suggestions our best comparison is probably with Brisbane of the early 90s. Young, inexperienced, unfashionable and pretty much a laughing stock. If the club keeps our core group of kids together for the next 7-10 years, then we will all share in much happier days ahead. The hunger these guys will develop will make them insatiable once they start stringing a few games together.

AGRO · **Posted:** Mon May 28, 2007 11:11 pm

The wasted years of recruiting between 96 - 2003, leave us right behind the eight ball - on that. The core group of 26/27 year olds are just not on our list right now.

Springsteen · **Joined:** Thu Mar 22, 2007 8:08 pm **Posts:** 813

we'll beat the dogs this week and then get on a roll and win 3 or 4 in a row

u heard it here 1st

Kouta · **Posted:** Tue May 29, 2007 12:31 am

Carey said on Footy Classified that good players run in and kick those goals after Walker decided to pass instead of have a shot on goal when the score was 85-86. They basically said Walker's decision to pass to the top of the square was directly responsible for the rebound and Adelaide goal.

Andrew has kicked those goals this year.

Caroline Wilson put the miss down to confidence.

Jarusa · **Joined:** Sat Feb 26, 2005 9:00 am **Posts:** 23123

BlueIce wrote:

Carey said on Footy Classified that good players run in and kick those goals after Walker decided to pass instead of have a shot on goal when the score was 85-86. They basically said Walker's decision to pass to the top of the square was directly responsible for the rebound and Adelaide goal.

Andrew has kicked those goals this year.

Caroline Wilson put the miss down to confidence.

Setanta did exactly the same thing, could have had a ping from inside the arc just within 50 and went for the team thing. Hard to say which is best, but I would love to see thing ping it from the arc on or around 50.

A goal like that really lifts the whoile team.

grrofunger · **Posted:** Tue May 29, 2007 1:22 am

BlueIce wrote:

Carey said on Footy Classified that good players run in and kick those goals after Walker decided to pass instead of have a shot on goal when the score was 85-86. They basically said Walker's decision to pass to the top of the square was directly responsible for the rebound and Adelaide goal.

Andrew has kicked those goals this year.

Caroline Wilson put the miss down to confidence.

I agree he should have gone for goal and i was shocked he didnt - but that was a beautiful pass to Waite - Waite got clear hands on that and should have hung on to it for a certain goal - i think Walker saw waite had the advantage(and waite had been on fire) and went with the team option - which in some ways shows maturity and un selfishness

walker shouldnt be crucified for that at all.

DownUnderChick · **Posted:** Tue May 29, 2007 8:29 am

Camelboy I LOVE your Avatar.

The Duke · **Posted:** Tue May 29, 2007 8:34 am

grrofunger wrote:

BlueIce wrote:

Carey said on Footy Classified that good players run in and kick those goals after Walker decided to pass instead of have a shot on goal when the score was 85-86. They basically said Walker's decision to pass to the top of the square was directly responsible for the rebound and Adelaide goal.

Andrew has kicked those goals this year.

Caroline Wilson put the miss down to confidence.

I agree he should have gone for goal and i was shocked he didnt - but that was a beautiful pass to Waite - Waite got clear hands on that and should have hung on to it for a certain goal - i think Walker saw waite had the advantage(and waite had been on fire) and went with the team option - which in some ways shows maturity and un selfishness

walker shouldnt be crucified for that at all.

There's a handful of these things that cost us games when we're within 4 goals. These issues have dropped a hell of a lot in the last 12 months. I gaurantee that if we were 4 goals up both Setanta and AW would have had a shot and probably would've got both. To and extent, they choked and defaulted to what they thought was the best thing to do.

We take sides on and play to win, that's all I want for the rest of the year.

buzzaaaah · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:31 am **Posts:** 17893

Any decent AFL player who is clear inside 40m should shoot at goal. Walker is above decent. I cant tell if he had a shot or not but it was a bad kick. Fast forward 2 years, he'll nail that goal every time

Lurker Blue · **Posted:** Tue May 29, 2007 11:05 am

I think our players, especially the young ones, are scared that if they stuff up they'll be benched, or dropped from the team.

Therefore they are not taking risks; they are always taking the safe option.

BlueDW · **Posted:** Tue May 29, 2007 11:18 am

The Duke wrote:

grrofunger wrote:

BlueIce wrote:

Carey said on Footy Classified that good players run in and kick those goals after Walker decided to pass instead of have a shot on goal when the score was 85-86. They basically said Walker's decision to pass to the top of the square was directly responsible for the rebound and Adelaide goal.

Andrew has kicked those goals this year.

Caroline Wilson put the miss down to confidence.

I agree he should have gone for goal and i was shocked he didnt - but that was a beautiful pass to Waite - Waite got clear hands on that and should have hung on to it for a certain goal - i think Walker saw waite had the advantage(and waite had been on fire) and went with the team option - which in some ways shows maturity and un selfishness

walker shouldnt be crucified for that at all.

There's a handful of these things that cost us games when we're within 4 goals. These issues have dropped a hell of a lot in the last 12 months. I gaurantee that if we were 4 goals up both Setanta and AW would have had a shot and probably would've got both. To and extent, they choked and defaulted to what they thought was the best thing to do.

We take sides on and play to win, that's all I want for the rest of the year.

I think from memory we were a couple of goals in front when Santy has his brain explosion...

AGRO · **Posted:** Tue May 29, 2007 11:30 am

BlueDW wrote:

I think from memory we were a couple of goals in front when Santy has his brain explosion...

This was not a brain explosion on Setanta's part.

This is as a direct result of Pagan's coaching - his philosophy has taken out all the flair, risk taking and excitement out of this batch of young super talent, I include Andrew Walker in this as well.

But in particular in Setanta's case - he came to this game knowing bugger all about its intracacies etc - but he came with an enthusiasm and a naive super thirst for knowledge.

He listens intently to the coach and when the coach tells him to punch the ball at all times he punches the ball at all times, when one of his team mates tells him to slow it down he slows it down.

He is a veritable "Hymie the Robot" in this regard - unfortunately Pagan has programmed all the excitement and risk taking out of Setanta's game. At this point in the game Setanta looked up saw the goals - but team rules dictacted to him to find a better option - this is all he tried to do - was not a brain explosion - was actually wired in brain response.

Kaptain Kouta · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:41 pm **Posts:** 63509

buzzaaaah wrote:

Any decent AFL player who is clear inside 40m should shoot at goal. Walker is above decent.

Definitely.

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