100% with you on that...

Like I said in another post.....can you imagine if Goddard did end up at Carlton at the end of the year? It would take all of next season to de-program him from all the namby-pamby, touchy-feely, new-age bullshit Cornflakes has been brainwashing him with, and instilling tactics in their place.

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And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.

Ten years?

Three years?

Geelong and StKilda have had a young lists for years now. They haven't won a premiership in how long? They haven't even looked like it so far. Both sides were miserable in the finals last year.

StKilda were in the Grand Final in 97 us in 99, Geelong in 95

StKilda aren't even in the eight at this stage. Geelong are looking good at this stage, but they haven't "won" a wooden spoon in more than 25 years. Maye they aren't losers.

Richmond were in the finals in 2001, last time we were. When did they bottom out? Last year?

Crazy talk.

So how do you read into things that I want Carlton to lose for the next decade? What does that actually mean? 10 wooden spoons in a row? Not winning a premiership in 10 years? Define "losing for the next decade".

What's even more intersting is that in the three years before StKilda became woeful and showed everyone the light, they won 38 games. Carlton, before this year had won only 17 games in the past three years.

StKilda, in modern terms, only had three bad years (2000,01,02). Given our penalties, we have lost two years. So we should only have one more bad year (next year) before we move up the ladder and be a threat. Correct people? Three years in the draft system is all it took StKilda to get going.

So bring on 2007!!!

Finals 2008!!!

Maybe a hiccup in 2009? Let's see how this year pans out first.

A premiership is on our way by 2010 hopefully!! Depends on how other teams use the draft though. At worst we will hold the cup some time after 2010 no worries.

With Princes Park now gone apart from Kouta everything i love about the game is gone.
Twas almost a farewell to footy on saturday.

Good work AFL.

I think we are facing what many supporters of other clubs have faced many times over the last 50 years. It's not the systems fault it's our fault for failing to understand drafting and become the best at it. Our plight is not caused by football socialism it's caused by our inability over the entire history of drafting to use our financial and traditional might to ensure we stayed at the top. We were really successful mainly becuase we had a dream zone in Bendigo, some great local players and topped them up with good interstaters because everyone wanted to play with us. And we had recruiters who could spot a decent player. We blame the system, how about blaming a match committee who reckoned Deveonport, O'reilly, Hawker, McGuane, McKernan' , Mansfield were worth giving up draft picks for, blame recruiters who spotted more potential in Massie than Tarrant or Cornes, more in Chatfiled than Stevens, Black or Goodes, more in Vance than Hayes and everyone else in that draft.

Geelong nor West Coast have bottomed out. We are shocking and we can look to blame everyone else, but lets look in the mirror and see who is really to blame. We were brutalised on black Friday, but it never would have happened if we had of stood up to fatjack earlier. We have been spoilt by easily raiding talent nurtured at other clubs or interstate and having a succession of top ten quality draft picks arrive every year from bendigo. we've forgotten how to recruit talent.

We'll deserve a PP not because we tank but because we're crap. No-one at the game on Saturday could possibly think we need to manipulate the system to get a pp and #1 draft pick. We're hopeless and the only the people who can fix it are those mainly responsible....us. Every carlton supporter. keep supporting keep demanding and don't tolerate the sort of decisions that got us into this godawful mess.

there was only one person i was aware of that didnt mind losing on the weeked.

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Got to love the stare Down by Setanta on Llyod

Agree.

Footy is tough business. In a lot of ways we do have talent and currency on the list.... but most of our problem is, our talented players are not our prime movers.

If our best 22 were investments, we have most our cash in low returners (Houlihan and, to a lesser extent, Lappin), and bugger all money in the high earners (in the guts).... certainly less that the top clubs.

A player like Campo is in the same boat as Riccardi. Riccardi is coming off benches, playing 5 minutes on the ball, banging goals from the pocket... Riccardi is having the time of his life because he has bugger all responsibility in a great team. Campo has heat on him every second. He doesn't have the luxuries Riccardi has. We don't get the best of bang for our buck with Campo..

But there's not a lot we can do about it, unless we trade really central players, or just wait and rebuilt through the draft... or a combo of both.

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Agreed

Football's not fun anymore, its big business.
That's it.
If you think about it took much, you think with your head and not your heart and then you loose your passion.

Cannot argue with anything you have said "Old Fella"...If you look back to 1999 to 2001,the last decent footy that we played,there was not(Whitnall & Fevola aside) one decent young bloke in the side NOT ONE!

When the proverbial hit the fan in 2002 it was this that compounded the problem!