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Carlton 'no' to colours change
By Samantha Lane
May 22, 2005

How Carlton's alternate strip might have looked.

With the farewell to Carlton's traditional home ground complete, the club also has contemplated whether the time has come to break with another tradition and introduce an alternative guernsey.

Carlton has had a prototype silver and navy jumper made up for the consideration of its board, which has seriously discussed the merits of introducing a clash strip - something that may yet be mandated by the AFL.

While Carlton president Ian Collins continues to resist the league's push for all clubs to have an alternative guernsey, he and other club officials had Scott Camporeale and another player model the jumper at Telstra Dome late last year.

The radical sample guernsey was predominantly silver with bold navy blue detailing, and had matching silver shorts with thick navy stripes running down both sides. But the Blues were turned off the option after last November, when Richmond unveiled the grey guernsey it used in this year's pre-season competition.

"Richmond had run with a grey/silver, so (the clash jumper) was mothballed," Collins said last week.


"It was a trial thing and it had mixed blessings. It was only a prototype anyhow. We hadn't gone through the process of getting it approved.

"We've sort of flirted with it, but really, we're very reticent to that sort of change. I don't think we'll be rushing into that one."

If Collins has his way, the Blues, like Collingwood and Essendon*, would continue to resist the AFL's calls to introduce alternative uniforms. "We've been able to get away with it up to date, so I think we tread slowly, slowly with that," Collins said.

"There's mixed feelings about whether we should do anything because we think our traditional guernsey is unique and there's not much of a push really. I think the board would have mixed feelings about that and we wouldn't be rushing into it."

But after years of encouraging those clubs to break with that tradition, the league may soon force the issue.

"We've consistently encouraged the clubs to adopt alternative guernseys to help prevent on-field clashes, hoping that the matter could be resolved without the need to mandate it," AFL football operations manager Adrian Anderson said last week.

"We would like to see a clear differentiation between the jumpers on field in all matches. We've urged all clubs to go down that path, and if that remains unsuccessful, we might have to take action there."

Carlton did not hold formal discussions with the AFL about the jumper, but consulted with the league's licensing department.

Should Carlton wish to submit a proposed clash strip for next season, it would need to do so within 10 days, as the AFL's annual cut-off point is May 31, although the league remains flexible on considering submissions after that date.

But with the issue not on the agenda for Carlton's board meeting this Tuesday, the Blues were unlikely to push the matter.

Despite Collins' resistance, it is believed that other Carlton directors have accepted that the club may soon be forced by the league into coming up with an alternative guernsey.

Given the high regard with which the classic and conservative navy blue jumper is held at the club, they would prefer that the Blues make every effort to come up with something special.

It's believed the Blues' marketing department also looked at the option of a predominantly white guernsey with navy detail, similar to the alternate strip Fremantle introduced recently.

Not sure with this look, to me it's a bit ordinary, but someone might like it, the all white with navy trimings is a better option imo

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Grey/silver looks pox as Richmond's pre-season jumper proved.

I've been on this bandwagon for a number of years and have emailed the club several times with no response. I have had some good support from many members in these Carlton forums.

It looks like I should rattle the cage again. The club is looking backwards if it doesn't embrace an alternative strip. If it can come up with one it will be seen as progressive, marketable, etc. etc. Additionally, it will have another stream of revenue opportunities. Instead of one jumper to sell it will have two. Simple really...

silver looks good.
see the Oakland Raiders.

navy blue forever

Indeed! I will personally be furious if the club changes our famous guernsey.

For me it's on par with re-mixing the club theme song. Some things you just don't touch.

And I wouldn't mind the afl keeping their stinking nose out of the issue, either. I can see how they would want to minimise guernsey clashes and player / spectator confusion, but changing our great uniform is strictly off limits, imo.

Changing the top for heritage round is great. But let's just leave it at that.

Hope we don't go with the "white" jumper look...how bad did the Kangaroos look today against Geelong..??

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I love the Navy Blue.

Alternate strips have nothing to do with confusion. The League managed without them for more than 100 years.

It's about MERCHANDISE. Look at the NRL. After the Super League bullshit, every team changes jumper every year, and have several "alternates", most of which have nothing to do with their original colours.

Look at the pathetic rubbish in the English Premier league....Manchester U in Yellow? Pathetic.

And witness today's match between the Roos and Geelong. Who allowed the Kangas to wear all white? You can't tell the players apart at all, whereas if they wore their traditional jumper, it would be easy. Vertical stripes compared to Hoops, and they have different colours. Even wearing the WC style, all-Royal-Blue jumpers would have made it easier.

NO NEW JUMPER! The most I would support is the addition of some orange, say as a vertical stripe down the side, which harks back to Carlton's earliest days and colours.

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yeah when i saw the kangaroos jumper today it was like wtf???
geelong is predominantly white with blue hoops, so the kangaroos go wear a white jumper with a bit of royal blue.
Surely they should have worn that all royal blue jumper.

I dont think we should change our jumper. Its been like that since forever (basically). We and the rest of the teams never had problems before. I think the umpires should open their eyes and actually watch who is where and what is happening.

The Afl is trying to make more money off the clubs, and the little sheep clubs just follow orders, i think carlton should stick it to the afl and say no. And just keep saying no until the afl get the point.

If Melbourne can get around in that shocker they wore yesterday why shouldn't we have an alternate guernsey? The ground's history and that was inevitable, and as long as we keep the CFC on the front (in navy blue) and some navy blue on the clash jumper it's not the end of the navy blues. The AFL will eventually make it compulsory for a change as their media bosses will demand it. And we don't want to end up as a whinger club like Eddie's!

So why is it then that even in the days of Black-and-White telly, people could tell the difference between Collinwood and North, or Richmond and Essendon*?

It's all about the merchandising dollar. Nothing else.

If the AFL at least had the balls to come out and admit that, I'd have less of a problem with it.

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Why should we introduce an alternitave strip?

Who does our jumper clash with?

Why should we help the AFL?

Who can afford to own more than 1 footy jumper these days?

Who would like to see our traditional jumper replaced in crowds at matches by another strip?

NOT ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NOT EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Some things you just don't mess with & this is one of 'em

I think its good that the club is at least looking into aletrnate jumpers. Melbourne wearing their predominantly red strip on the weekend was common sense.

When are we going to realise that for all the great things that tradition provides moving forward and having vision is not one of them.

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It finally hit me last week that the Carlton footy club I grew up with was no more....gone...history...KAPUT!!!
Todays Carlton footy club is new and completely different (thanks to the AFL) so therefore, for the financial state of the club, I say bring on alternate guernseys and cash in on the merchandising.
The old Carlton is a cherished memory for me now...I hope the new Carlton can provide some great moments in the near future. I'm sure it will .

colour clashes are a fact of life in world football.

in england, arsenal, liverpool and man utd (and heaps more) are all predominantly red.

in italy, there are 3 teams in serie A with black & white vertical stripes (juve, udinese & siena).

in euro clashes, juve and newcastle would find it a bit difficult to tell each other apart.

it's not all about merchandising. if anything, merchandising become the consequence of the necessity to avoid shirt clashes.

we are the navy blues and will always be the navy blues.

however, it would be irresponsible and remiss of the board not to explore alternate jumper options. we have a genuine clash with melbourne, and perhaps one or two others. for this reason alone we should have an alternate strip .... and if we could make a buck out of it then why @#$%&! not??!!

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We're just going to have to agree to disagree on that one.



Because I will guarantee that we wouldn't be the ones making the money. The AFL are the ones who own ALL the rights to everything associated with every club.

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