... I still have nightmares regarding that last sentence.

So your saying Massie is better then Andrew Walker?

Can't wait for the year 2057 when George Jetson gets on here to tell everyone that he's found the reason why we were crap from 2001

If fisher can remain injury free - he will end up being the best player to come out of that draft.

We do.

Regards Cazzesman

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Blame Parkin and Sticks for those beauties ...

Headplant wrote:

chubbyruss wrote:

O'Reilly & Mansfield

Blame Parkin and Sticks for those beauties ...

Apparently you arent allowed to blame Parko HP, he is a premiership coach, therefore did nothing wrong, and is not partly to blame for our current predicament!!!

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we are in 2007 aren't we? How long can we blame Parko for? Really quite pathetic really.

I just hope we aren't complaining about drafting Gibbs in a few years time, didn't realise we drafted a backman.

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David Parkin and the bloke in your avatar are both greats of the Carlton Football Club - but they are also 95% responsible for the appalling state of our playing stocks at this time.

Parkin was in charge of recruiting (or had the final say) on most recruting decisions in the critical period of 96 through to 2000 and Sticks was still ultimately responsible for recruiting up until 2002.

These 6 years of poor picks, topping up with rejects and hacks to chase a flag something that Kernahan publicly got up in front of Carlton Members and admitted to and apologised for at the AGM at Moonee Valley in 2002 - are directly responsible for where our playing group is now - completely devoid of any solid leadership material in the 24 to 28 age bracket - the sort of players you need on your list to be a final 8 maybe even final 4 type contender.

We have only been participating properly in Drafts since 2004 - when our flowering draft penalties were finished - and we still copped a @#$%&! penalty last year when the @#$%&! AFL changed the Priority Pick rule on us which meant we had to take our Priority Pick at the end of the first round (enter Shaun Grigg rather than an Adam Sellwood or Leuenberger) rather than at the beginning (but dont get me started there).

As I said King Kerna - Parkin and Sticks are greats of the club - but to post that they are not responsible for where we are as a club at the moment is not dealing in the facts as they stand.

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AGRO once again you have gone off on your own little tangent and spewed out your often viewed thoughts (not that I disagree with them entirely) - please check what I wrote, all I am asking is how long are we going to blame Parkin for the current situation?

I guarantee that when we are back up again and win a flag and are perhaps on the downward slope again we will try and top up to try and grab one more flag before we drop back again - or, ideally, we will be like Port Power who haven't needed 2-3 horrible seasons to be a decent team again.

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Until the last player that he (and Stephen Kernahan) was responsible for recruiting is no longer on our list.

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Me personally I'll stop blaming Parkin when Paul Chapman from Geelong stops playing good football. Geeelong drafted him with the pick we gave up for Mansfeild.

I'd trade Fisher for Goddard. We need a ready made CHB if Waite isn't going to play there and we have Hartlett, Edwards and Waite who can play fwd if needs be. Goddard has been a slow starter but he is hitting his straps now. And he is a lifelong Blues supporter.
But that is hypothetical and I think Fisher is great value. Just needs to keep his head opout of the way.

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I think most teams now do this as a result of what has passed over there but I think McLeod was a smokie for Adelade as well, wasn't he?

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I think Fisher and Simmo and maybe Waite are our only trade bait come trade time. I would hate to lose any of them, but if we are serious about chasing a really good ruckman or even Judd, these three would come into the mix. Simmo would be the biggest loss if you ask me. Goal kicking wingman are so important.

I heard Parkin confess on ABC friday night footy last year that he was responsible for the flawed policy of recruiting rejects to top up our list when they should have gone for kids. he in fact was commenting that the kangaroos were doing the same thing and in that context warned them of what it cost carlton!!!

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Fisher....Simmo and Waite as trade bait?.....our best young players?

Leaving us with what?

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We do have a poor record, but I have seen articles on richmond and fremantle and they leave us for dead (not that that is any consolation) - andrew mcleod is one they traded away.

And lets not forget the worst two trading decisions of all time . Sam Phillips sold Elvis' contract to Colonal Tom Parker for $35,000 and The head of A&R at Decca records told Brian Epstein that "groups of guitars were on the way out" and that he really should return to Liverpool and continue to sell records rather than try to get a recording contract for a young group from Liverpool called "The Beatles". (but he did sign the Stones on George Harrison's recommendation later so some consolation there)!!!

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Like I said, I don't want to trade them. But if we wanted to pick up a big fish in the trading period, they are our only bait that you would consider. You would never trade Walker, Murph or Gibbs. Simmo is the one I would hate to ever consider trading. I love Fish, but he is replaceable. Waite is a match winner at best and awkward at worst. I love em all and want them at the Blues. But if we had a chance to get Judd, would you give up Waite or Fish and a first round draft choice?

Most uninformed people take the easy way out and blame Shane O'Sullivan for all the poor recruiting choices during this period and this is totally unfair. O'Sullivan kept on recommending all the good junior players and Parkin kept on selecting all the mature aged hacks from the SANFL and WAFL.

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