Today was all about paying respect to our famous home and all the heroes that have given their all for the Navy Blue.

As we struggle we need to make hard decisions and not sit on the fence. We can all remain positive and put a great spin on the fact we lost by 18 points. Anyone who observed this game and knows anything about footy knows that the scoreboard (loss by 18pts) did not reflect the game.

When the game was too be won we went missing. Why? who really knows, was it due to the emotion, not being good enough, poor coaching, lack of confidence? who really knows? I'd say a bit of all of the above.

One thing for sure we need to resign Fev, this is part of giving the club some confidence. I can't believe the bagging Fev gets from some supporters. If Fev played for Melbourne today he would have kicked a minimum of 7 goals - why? because the Demons know how to feed their forwards. Put Fev in any half decent team and he will kick 90+ goals, after all he has twice kicked over 60 goals a season in a very average team. Fev showed us against Geelong in the second quater what he can do if we can hit him on the chest. One of our major concerne is that we struggle to hit targets not Fev.

Houlihan, did he put his body on the line? Don't think so, some will get pissed off by this comment - so be it. Again today was about playing respect to our home and our jumper. Houlihan you may have some skill however you need to sit down and watch some footage of the Dominator, Harmes, Buckley, Hickmott, Ratten, McKay. I know not all players play the same however today was a big game for the club and anyone that observed the pregame introductions would agree that the players today should of put their body on the line - Houlihan did not and will never will!

Let the rebuilding commence.

The ladder is not a true reflection of where Carlton is at either.

Make no mistake, Carlton has the worst list in the competition, and deserves to win the wooden spoon for the second time in 3 years. In fact Carlton has made no progress at all since Pagan took over. They've just blown nearly $2million on his salary over that time though. Wayne Brittain could have the team playing this shit, and he would cost a fraction of the price.

The young talent is shithouse, worse than Essendon* or Collingwood. The midfield is made up of soft recievers (except for Kouta) and kids who will never make at AFL level. The duds Pagan brought to the club have shown themselves to be what they are, rejects and duds. They were rejected by other clubs for a reason. They're no good.

Lane Whitnall is overpaid and mostly useless.
Fevola gets pissed off, but who can blame him when you have shit players up the field cocking up posession and then bombing it into the forward line without looking. Why would Fevola even want to hang around next year?

Forget the past 3 years. Carlton is only starting to bottom out. In another 4 or 5 years they'll be a contender. But all up it will be 7-9 years of the shit we have seen this season. And that makes this club no better than cellar dwellers St Kilda, Fremantle, Bulldogs etc..

What was Fevola like under Brittain?

The shit players that Denis brought to the club were done through trades, which players did he let go would you like to come back? Please name them for all of us.

Was Denis at the club when Lance got his huge contract? In fact was Denis at the club when any of these blokes got their huge contracts?

Since Denis has been at the club Carlton has only participated in one full draft, last years.

Denis has preached the same message, we lack depth of talent, we all know that and there is only one way to get it, through the draft.

The question I would be asking is how the hell did Denis get this group of people to win 10 games last year? He is underpaid.

I agree with the above.

the trippers will think its all Denis fault.
The reality is we are shithouse!!!
The reality is the draft penalties have really cost us no matter what we may have thought.
The reality is each day we win a game by fluking its like another Black Friday.... except were doing it to ourselves.
Were not going to win many more games than the 4 1/2 ,5 threshold so why try and cost ourselves?
The wooden spoon is not too bad!!! We won it a coupl eof years ago and we survived... and the outcome was much darker than it would be this time.
Then we can really start to go forwards.
Unlike last time when we just couldnt.

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And that is why I think both of them will not be at Carlton next year. Lance is gone. If Fevola were to put himself ahead of the team, then he would piss off and go to a West Coast or the like (a team with GOOD delivery!)

Kouta is simply awesome. I wouldn't blame him if he too also pissed off and went to a better team where his brilliance could be seen and put to better use for his final season.

If Carlton were to be fair dinkum, then selling off a few of their (only) A-graders in Lance, Fevola and Kouta would not be a dumb move. Carlton needs a decent injection of solid B-grade players and talented young kids if the club is serious about becoming a threat in 5+ years.

I agree, winnning a spoon in 2005 will not be like winning a spoon in 2002.

Yes we have built a team from rejects, but not all of these rejects will be discarded.

Remember though that we didnt have much of an alternative than to do this.

We do need to fully participate in a draft with picks 1 and 2 as well as pick 1 in the psd. - in other words a spoon with 5.5 wins - to get the players that we missed out on during 2002 and 2003.

If we have the first round picks we missed in the draft penalty years, we wouldnt be where we are now, but unfortunately we need to drop down to the bottom to do this.

I also think that we will be sort of rebuiding in reverse, instead of picking up the a grade talent players and then getting less talented players around them, we will be getting the less talented ones first and the A grade ones later on.

There is one thing on which I differ though, I believe that we will be back a bit earlier than 4 or 5 years. No reason for this other than its just when I feel will come to pass.

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Kouta isnt worth a cracker on a trade table.
Whitnall hasnt been an A grader in 4 years.
Either has Campo.

The only way you would even contemplate on trading Fev is if you knew you were not going to build a side around him for 3 or 4 years.

If we were just going to remain like this and not try and pick up the real talent, id trade Fev... trade him somewhere where his potential can be realised instead of us floating around 12th spot with a crap list and each game we lose we blame Fev...
Fev is a star!!!
Ive always said he is a huge cannon and we dont have the ammunition to load him

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Well I think you'll find he is. You can't tell me that any of the other 15 clubs in the league have not once thought, "Gee, imagine Kouta winning the clearances in our team..."

Kouta at present looks fit and healthy enough to have 1 more season in him and there would be teams out there that would love a fit Kouta in their side.

For 800k????

Yeah right... look sometimes i think people cant think logically

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When considering Fevola's ability/future with us i think it important to consider what he could offer a half decent team with dispossal befitting an AFL side.
The answer is quite clear.The bloke would kick a bag!.

In a side that is seriously lacking genuine talent ,the thought of giving off one of the few players we have that could,given the right circumstances be ultimately a Superstar is laughable.

NONE,of the champion full forwards of the past could survive with the service Fevola is currently receiving.

Find him some support in front!

One day you'll all get sick of me pointing this out..

Resign = quit, leave, move on

Re-sign = put pen to paper, sign on dotted line, extend contract.

Please note the difference

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What would Adelaide have done to St Kilda on Friday with Fevola at fulll forward.

I wouldn't be surprised too see them floating around.

Like it or not we need to sign him up soon. Not for $550,000 out right, but $400,00 - $450,000 plus bonuses.

That is the sacrifice too keep him.

Then with him stitched up, and even Lance on a base wage - I think he owes us big time, we can start moving forward.

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maybe i've just got blind faith or something, but i'm still not convinced that we are as bad as we are currently playing but yes we do have depth issues with our list.

pagan hasn't had his top 22 on the park together all year, and a lot of players are playing worse than you would expect.

we still haven't got the quality to get close to top 4 teams.

and other than two piss poor games against 2nd and 3rd on the ladder in geelong and richmond, we have had 4 losses between 3 and 4 goals against roos doing well early, pies equally bad, freo at freo and melb who are also top 4.

not to mention a draw with port in port, and two scrappy wins against similar oposition.

Richmond have are equal second at present and geelong beat the roos by close to 100 points.

we are bottom 8 no doubt, but not the worst in the comp.

atleast some of the kids are getting a run.

Got to agree with Synbad. While I have some reservations with DP he has nothing to work with. Our shocking drafting in the late 90s early 00s and the penalties have left us with very little. We fluked our best young player TBird as a rookie (how could clubs have overlooked him). And the players we've brought in are rejects. We had to do it because we had no decent draft picks. But they are battlers at best. We don't have to manufacture a wooden spoon. We will get it easily the way we are going. And you don't have to tank. Just play young players and see if they are worth retaining and rest injured players. Stevo and Campo are both on one leg. Also drop players who don't look like they care (Scotland). The debate about DP is a bit redundant. He's on a new contract and if he can make anything of this team in that time he is a genius. If not he will leave with his reputation a little tarnished. It's a huge challenge for him.

We'd be a fair bit better if we had Goddard, Wells and McLean, and if in the 90s we had drafted any 2 or 3 of Barry Hall (we swapped that pick for Devonport), Tarrant or Cornes, Black or Goodes (we decided Chatfield was far better than either) and various others.

We are going to have to draft brilliantly and luckily to make any headway, particularly given that Kouta is still clearly our best player and is 32 and has wrecked knees.

What Deano said...

5.5 wins = NO PP
5 wins = PP

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