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2009 line up.

B: anderson setanta thornton
hb: scotland waite??? walker
c: simpson stevens pick1 07
hf: benjamin kennedy?? fisher/edwards???
f: betts fevola whitnall
r: aisake gibbs murphy
int: carrazzo grigg russell hampson????


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winfieldblue wrote:
2009 line up.

B: anderson setanta thornton
hb: scotland waite??? walker
c: simpson stevens pick1 07
hf: benjamin kennedy?? fisher/edwards???
f: betts fevola whitnall
r: aisake gibbs murphy
int: carrazzo grigg russell hampson????


Hopefully all our young players can develop in to great players. We are definantly 6-8 goodplayers short of Finals team. We got the potential but we dont know yet if it will follow thru in to gold yet :)

I think its time for Walker and Gibbs to have a good crack in the middle. Walker has bulked up now and hes got the quickness n skills to be a good midfielder and not tagger/defender.

Walkers only down in defense cos we got no one else good enough


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winfieldblue wrote:
2009 line up.

B: anderson setanta thornton
hb: scotland waite??? walker
c: simpson stevens pick1 07
hf: benjamin kennedy?? fisher/edwards???
f: betts fevola whitnall
r: aisake gibbs murphy
int: carrazzo grigg russell hampson????


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You missed pick 3, 2007. :wink:

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Whitnall (de-listed)

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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 11:23 pm 
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Whats the club need to do?


One area the club can definitely improve in is its supporters being a little more patient. .


yep - as painful as the last few years have been, there is still a way to go.


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AGRO wrote:
winfieldblue wrote:
2009 line up.

B: anderson setanta thornton
hb: scotland waite??? walker
c: simpson stevens pick1 07
hf: benjamin kennedy?? fisher/edwards???
f: betts fevola whitnall
r: aisake gibbs murphy
int: carrazzo grigg russell hampson????


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You missed pick 3, 2007. :wink:

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Whitnall (de-listed)


Hey Agro serious question for you. When Whitnall plays well, how does it make you feel? For example when he was dominating in the first half of the Brisbane, St Kilda and Collingwood games were you cheering against him? Were you happy he was playing well because it was helping us win? Or were you mad because he was showing his worth and that contradicts your views of him? Just curious


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Hey Agro serious question for you. When Whitnall plays well, how does it make you feel? For example when he was dominating in the first half of the Brisbane, St Kilda and Collingwood games were you cheering against him? Were you happy he was playing well because it was helping us win? Or were you mad because he was showing his worth and that contradicts your views of him? Just curious



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Nah honestly I'm not trying to antagonise or be a smart ass. It's a serious question. I've never been one to dislike any player that puts on a Carlton jumper. So I'm curious to know what a supporter,who clearly dislikes a player, feels/thinks when that player is doing well. Fair question I would have thought.


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maxm68 wrote:
TruBlueBrad wrote:
Goltzenberg wrote:
Whats the club need to do?


One area the club can definitely improve in is its supporters being a little more patient. .


yep - as painful as the last few years have been, there is still a way to go.

There is a futbol team in Mexico called 'Cruz Azul' (Blue Cross) I decided when I came here to support them because of their name. They were a top club ten years ago but have struggled since. (Sound familiar?). They had an old bloke on the tele a few days ago saying that their supporters need to be patient, that things are cyclic and I thought of this forum. Last week they made the semis for the first time in 10 years after winning their forst quarter final and today they were banned by the league for the rest of the finals for something I am not sure of as yet but appears to be for playing a player who was under suspension by FIFA. Maybe next year.... :(
West Coast Eagles and AFL take note.

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nytdog wrote:
Nah honestly I'm not trying to antagonise or be a smart ass. It's a serious question. I've never been one to dislike any player that puts on a Carlton jumper. So I'm curious to know what a supporter,who clearly dislikes a player, feels/thinks when that player is doing well. Fair question I would have thought.





Whitnall was a "man-child" during his junior TAC days and dominated - he came into the AFL and was able to play around Kernahan, Spalding in his first year - he was an effective second/third forard, in 2000 when he made All-Australian he was able to play off Hamill - who created the space and room for him. Yes I cheered for him. I cheered for him after his game icing goal in the 1999 Preliminary Final.

However since 2002 when he really needed to step up and be the go to forward man - he has been found wanting. His pre-season preparations have generally always been found wanting - his fitness levels have always been poor (yes he started off like a rocket against Brisbane but where was he in the second half).

And this year, when we would be better served putting games into Edwards and Hartlett (lets see if they can play), seriously playing Kennedy at CHF, instead of him playing a mish mash or roles between Forward Pocket and Half Forward Flank. We have Lance Whitnall just taking up space or going up to the back line as a sweeping defender because he is too slow and not up to it to do the things a quality CHF can do.

There have been plenty of players to dislike wearing a Carlton jumper over the years - O'Rielly, Mansfield, McKernan over the past 6 or 7 just to name a few.

I haven't seen Lance do anything much of value over the past few years other than his brief cameo tandem with Fevola during the 2005 Wizard Cup campaign - where I thought he was quite good (after what was reported doing a lot of pre-season work on his own) - but he soon slipped back into his old ways.

Lance does nothing for the side as a leader, he sets no example to the younger players, he is one of last players on the training track and one of the last off it.

Lance has done nothing over the past few years to contradict my views or my opinion of him - he has won a best and fairest, but over the past few years he joins illustrious company like Corey McKernan and David Teague (whom I dont dislke by the way - he is a good ordinary footballer who has made the most of his ability and he trains his guts out), but he should not be a best and fairest winner at our club.

If you clearly believe that you have never disliked a player in a Carlton guernsey then I challenge you to say the same about any team mate you have played with over the 20 years of high level/quality football you have played since you were 11.

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