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Personally, I can't wait for the next Easybeats album to come out...... i think they are revolutionising pop music, even as we speak

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Pfft. You're just listening to what they WANT you listen to!

The Seekers are where it's at.

We don't. He may not be. He is determined, respected and a great leader. He may not be a great tactician but my guess is give him a year or two and that will be fine. He brings for me an X factor that doesnt exist in many other prospects

Bucks would be a good coach IMO but he doesnt have what Voss possesses in leadership qualities. The other 2 arent much chop as coaching prospects.
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Nobody does. Its all speculation. I agree that I would prefer Voss to be an assistant for at least a year but I cant see how that would work at Carlton unless it involves Pagan remaining as coach in 2008. I know you don't want that.

It may be Sheedy's big sell. Keep me coach in 2008. Voss will be assistant and if we dont make the 8, I'll make way.

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I believe Mckenna would have the goods as well as others.

Voss would be a gamble but the payoff could be huge. Charismatic young coach harnessing a generation of quality young players. it has the makings of dominence.

Whatever happens I hope it is left until seasons end. We have had enough winters of discontent. Seriously though I would rather get the customary 2-3 wins on the back of a new coach next year rather than this.

well... errr..... yeah.... its all a risk.. and we're in the business of mitigating that risk...

if Voss is made coach... great! he couldn't be any worse than dipshit Pagan...... if we get Roos or Worsfold.... great!

I'll pretty much be happy if we sack Pagan and get anyone else.... who isn't proven to be shit (ie Gary Ayres, Kevin Sheedy etc)

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I've always thought that Jim Hird would be an obvious successor to Sheedy at Essendon*; and similarly; Buckley at Collingwood; but that's only my opinion.

I can't see Lethal leaving Qld. in the near future; so where does that leave Voss?

Paul Roos understudied Rocket Eade as an Assistant Coach in Sydney before taking over there.

At Carlton; that leaves us IMO with Ratts or Braddles......or perhaps SOS could be a dark horse after all of the specialist coaching he's been involved with since his retirement.....or Voss?.....or McKenna?

It's interesting as always......it'll be more interesting if Denis really gets the team playing good footy, and we've already "signed up" someone else!

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All coaches are a gamble. But Voss and Ratten both have the charisma that would work with our young players.

Their positive influence is generated by way of their deeds as players..

Michael Voss has more of the Charisatic x factor than Ratten, but Brett has a bit more practical experience.

Either or both would be good choices as coach / assistant coach of the Blues.

There is no point boasting about the pedigree and background of whatever you have purchased if your acquisition does not suit your particular needs...

So the secret to appointing the next coach is that he has to be the best fit to our particular circumstances more than him being a brilliant and proven coach.



We currently have a young team that is led by an 'old school' style coach.

The player / coach relationship is, to be diplomatic - a bit stale...

A fresh communication style,
New ways of using our players,
How much the players respect and are prepared to 'bleed' for the coach -

Address these issues with the right person - who best fits our particular needs - and we will see a quantum improvement in Carlton.

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The young kids onsite think my opinion about Voss being the "man" we should target is apparently "out of date".....sorry.....but the basics of footy never change regardless.

Allan Jeans famously said...."Either we've got the ball.....they've got the ball .....or it's in dispute"..............and that still applies.....it's not brain surgery or rocket science.....it's scoring more than the opposition while endeavouring to prevent them scoring at all.....the Lesson Endeth.

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I think you might be showing your age there a bit, by referring to a 27 year old as a "young kid".

It's very pertinent and relevant that there is not one AFL Coach aged in the 20's; and it's inconceivable that there ever will be.

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Some 27 year olds are running huge corporations.....some are working two jobs with 4 or 5 kids of their own......and some are still "young kids".......some are mature adults and some aren't....every age group carries variants.

As I said to Kaptain Kouta some time ago......I recall when I was younger thinking that 36 must be close to death, it's so old........things change.

Anyway.....as Oscar Wilde said...."I'm not young enough to know everything"

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nothing wrong with 27 year olds

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Rhys Jones as coach

if we ever wanted a tough carlton blooded coach then get him

Great players don't necessarily make great coaches. There are plenty of examples - Royce Hart for one. Ian Stewart another.

But, having said that, there are some blokes that you just know, will succeed. Worsfold is a clear example, Paul Roos another. They have great people management skills - they had it on field and they have it in the coaches box. They have the abilty to gel a playing group, to demand respect, to convey a message.

Worsfold retired in his early 30's. Had very little experience as an assistant at Carlton - if I recall correctly he was like third in line to Parkin -almost a junior part time assistant behind the likes of Brittain. He went into the eagles job almost as raw and green as anyone in recent history.

I see success written all over Voss. We won't be able to pry Roos or Worsfold away from the Swans or the Eagles. So I'd be in favour of taking on Voss as senior coach even though he will be learning on the job and he will make mistakes. But, the upside is huge.

Any dog has 4 legs more than no dog.
No dog has 6 legs.


Therefore, any dog has 10 legs.

That's how much sense your post makes. I didn't say anything about the few coaches who were effective after being great captains.

I was debunking the statement that implied that great captains necessarily made great coaches!!!

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Because there's 20 of them

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Good point about people management skills.

You have a look at those Brisbane premiership teams and it has since become obvious that those teams were full of men with completely different and conflicting personalities.

Maybe Voss played a significant part in keeping these guys focused on the job for so long?

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maybe Leigh had something to do with it too!

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maybe they both did

Funny how the playing group began to implode when Voss was on the way out as Captain though.

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