Our next coach?

TruBlueBrad · **Posted:** Fri May 18, 2007 11:52 am

JohnM wrote:

Pratt is exceptionally shrewd, no doubt about that.

But his seeming faith in Kernahan as a football administrator has me worried.

Hopefully, his public utterances to the effect of 'I leave the football side of things up to Sticks' are merely for public consumption.

Because if Sticks has more say in the shaping of our football department than Icke and Swann, we're in a bit of trouble.

I reckon its for public consumption. For one I don't think Sticks wants to be making the football decisions, I think he tried to step up when there was no one else, but now Icke is on board I think he'll be happy to stand aside.

Wouldn't hurt for Pratt to be pumping Icke up though.

Rocco Iguana · **Joined:** Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:37 pm **Posts:** 1362

I have faith that whoever the 'powers that be' pick to be coach...2008 or 2009, will be a quality option

if I had my wish.... Ratts .....and I could learn to love Voss as an assistant....

The Tyrant · **Posted:** Fri May 18, 2007 12:42 pm

Give Roos a 2 year deal he can't resist, (ie, heaps of money he can retire on, as he's indicated he wants to in the nearish future), and have Voss in place as an assitant doing his apprenticeship....

Roos has 2 years to guide Voss and rebuild the team with youth (nothing to lose)... and can then retire onto bigger and better things

And Voss comes in ready to roll with Gibbs, Murphy et.al all at the top of their games

WIN WIN!

buzzaaaah · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:31 am **Posts:** 17892

The Tyrant wrote:

Give Roos a 2 year deal he can't resist, (ie, heaps of money he can retire on, as he's indicated he wants to in the nearish future), and have Voss in place as an assitant doing his apprenticeship....

Roos has 2 years to guide Voss and rebuild the team with youth (nothing to lose)... and can then retire onto bigger and better things

And Voss comes in ready to roll with Gibbs, Murphy et.al all at the top of their games

WIN WIN!

What about if you offer that and Voss says that the Dees offered him the senior job and thats what he wants?
What then?

buzzaaaah · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:31 am **Posts:** 17892

BTW, I have heard Roos say that when he stops coaching Sydney , he'll stop coaching. If he's not passionate about it, he shouldnt be hired

camel · **Posted:** Fri May 18, 2007 1:09 pm

I'm not convinced that Paul Roos would be as good away from the Swans as he is at the Swans. Make sense?

The Duke · **Posted:** Fri May 18, 2007 1:27 pm

The Tyrant wrote:

Give Roos a 2 year deal he can't resist, (ie, heaps of money he can retire on, as he's indicated he wants to in the nearish future), and have Voss in place as an assitant doing his apprenticeship....

Roos has 2 years to guide Voss and rebuild the team with youth (nothing to lose)... and can then retire onto bigger and better things

And Voss comes in ready to roll with Gibbs, Murphy et.al all at the top of their games

WIN WIN!

No way! I wouldn't let Roos anywhere near these boys. Fev would go nuts!!

We'd bring the ball in from full back and kick to the pocket, back to FB, across to the HBF and back to the pocket, out to CHB and into the centre before going sideways to the wing and onto the HFF. Stop there and chip it back to the HBF and then on to the HFF before turning it over and watching the opposition kick it down in 3 moves and score a goal :roll:

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I'd rather have DP thanks. I'd rather play another 12 months of losing but sexy footy than that sh1t!

Wojee · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:17 am **Posts:** 35135

camelboy wrote:

I'm not convinced that Paul Roos would be as good away from the Swans as he is at the Swans. Make sense?

Agreed, he's got a team suited to their choke-the-life-out-of-the-game gameplan and it'd take a while to build that into another team.

captain_rigs · **Posted:** Fri May 18, 2007 2:16 pm

Wojee wrote:

camelboy wrote:

I'm not convinced that Paul Roos would be as good away from the Swans as he is at the Swans. Make sense?

Agreed, he's got a team suited to their choke-the-life-out-of-the-game gameplan and it'd take a while to build that into another team.

I also agree.

the only external applicants i would go for would be Woosha or Rocket... but i feel we go Ratts may get the go ahead.

Im not Pagan bashing but the BLUES are still going through their revolution and pagans blood must spill. All dynasties go through this.

TruBlueBrad · **Posted:** Fri May 18, 2007 2:37 pm

The Duke wrote:

The Tyrant wrote:

Give Roos a 2 year deal he can't resist, (ie, heaps of money he can retire on, as he's indicated he wants to in the nearish future), and have Voss in place as an assitant doing his apprenticeship....

Roos has 2 years to guide Voss and rebuild the team with youth (nothing to lose)... and can then retire onto bigger and better things

And Voss comes in ready to roll with Gibbs, Murphy et.al all at the top of their games

WIN WIN!

No way! I wouldn't let Roos anywhere near these boys. Fev would go nuts!!

We'd bring the ball in from full back and kick to the pocket, back to FB, across to the HBF and back to the pocket, out to CHB and into the centre before going sideways to the wing and onto the HFF. Stop there and chip it back to the HBF and then on to the HFF before turning it over and watching the opposition kick it down in 3 moves and score a goal :roll:

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I'd rather have DP thanks. I'd rather play another 12 months of losing but sexy footy than that sh1t!

Barry Hall goes ok with it.

Come on guys, give Roos a bit of credit. He realises he has the team to play that style of football in Sydney. He'd adapt his style to suit the players he had at Carlton.

Blue Vain · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:35 am **Posts:** 17938

Paul Roos walked into a side with one paced plodders in the midfield and undersized key backs.
At least he had the brains to assess the list and successfully match a gameplan to the players at his disposal.
Too bad Denis didnt have the sense to do so. He stubbornly believed he could retrofit a game style to the list at his disposal. What a monumental error.

As for Whoosha, he has the most talented list by a fair margin. Yet he had to be dragged kicking and screaming to abandon his not negotiable man on man style late last year. Had he persisted in his pig headedness, I have doubts West Coast would have been premiers.

Roos has shown an ability to understand his players strengths and weaknesses and build a fantastic football side. His team has nowhere near the skills of some of its opponents but they drag every last bit out of their ability.
Give him some credit and understand that he is a coach looking to get the maximum from a list of players.
I have no doubt that he would utilise Carltons list far differently to Sydneys.

ryan2000 · **Posted:** Fri May 18, 2007 2:51 pm

Yeah i'd aggree to.

Roos & Sydney just make the perfect couple really.

I don't know how's he done it either. Cause the style of play he's brought to the Swans has been crap and just plain simple.

Like ours really............

Boring, unimaginative & predictable. Yet he's taken them to 2 x Grand Finals whilst Pagan has taken us to 2 x Wooden Spoons.

It's all a bit confusing to be honest.

Sydney has maybe 2 or 3 superstars (Hall, Goodes & Barry with Kennelly also on star status) and the rest are just honest 'Blue Collar' working footballers.

I like Roos with how he rotates, makes changes, see's a shift coming from his opposition, etc, etc, etc.

For some reason i'm really starting to like the idea of Voss, cause really, when you think about it, he has been Matthews apprentice for a while now.

Voss was always acting as an on-field coach anyway, so you could almost suggest he has been coaching for a few years now.

Of the current Coaches;

I like Woosha.............but he is an Eagle for life, same as Roos with Sydney.

I like Matthews but if he leaves Brisbane it'll be to retire i'd say.

I like Eade but he's on the verge of creating something big with the Bulldogs and would be stupid to back down now.

On the future coaches:

I like McKenna cause he seems to know how to get the best out of the kids.

I like Voss could he could be a Sheedy type for Carlton, as in a multiple premiership winning coach that'll stay with us for decades. And also just because he's Voss. He (& Kouta) is the best player I'VE seen and i think he has all the characteristics of a great coach.

I like Longmire cause he's seems to be a traditionalist yet is not completly out of touch with the modern style of the game.

I don't really know to much about the others to be honest.

The Tyrant · **Posted:** Fri May 18, 2007 3:22 pm

Blue Vain wrote:

Paul Roos walked into a side with one paced plodders in the midfield and undersized key backs.
At least he had the brains to assess the list and successfully match a gameplan to the players at his disposal.
Too bad Denis didnt have the sense to do so. He stubbornly believed he could retrofit a game style to the list at his disposal. What a monumental error.

As for Whoosha, he has the most talented list by a fair margin. Yet he had to be dragged kicking and screaming to abandon his not negotiable man on man style late last year. Had he persisted in his pig headedness, I have doubts West Coast would have been premiers.

Roos has shown an ability to understand his players strengths and weaknesses and build a fantastic football side. His team has nowhere near the skills of some of its opponents but they drag every last bit out of their ability.
Give him some credit and understand that he is a coach looking to get the maximum from a list of players.
I have no doubt that he would utilise Carltons list far differently to Sydneys.

Thankyou, BV.... some perspective on the issue.....

Paul Roos is a great coach... brilliant coach in fact

he took an average list and won a flag, and competed in another

if you guys look at his gameplan and think "shit coach" you're all @#$%&! morons

Who knows what he would do with a young list???

He might be invigorated.... be a bit freer.... encourage some run....

certainly our list is probably fill of more marquee talent than sydney's but significantly less vigor and experience

The Tyrant · **Posted:** Fri May 18, 2007 3:26 pm

buzzaaaah wrote:

The Tyrant wrote:

Give Roos a 2 year deal he can't resist, (ie, heaps of money he can retire on, as he's indicated he wants to in the nearish future), and have Voss in place as an assitant doing his apprenticeship....

Roos has 2 years to guide Voss and rebuild the team with youth (nothing to lose)... and can then retire onto bigger and better things

And Voss comes in ready to roll with Gibbs, Murphy et.al all at the top of their games

WIN WIN!

What about if you offer that and Voss says that the Dees offered him the senior job and thats what he wants?
What then?

how do we know Michael Voss is that great a prospect?

What if we offer it to Buckley instead and he takes it? Or James Hird? Or Chris Grant??

If Michael Voss was determined to be a career coach, it would be in his best interests to do an apprenticeship... even for 1 season...... ideally under an arrangement where he knew he was developing himself...

If we just appointed Michael Voss for the head job, we should look for some senior person as a go-to-guy for him..... Maybe look at a Director of coaching role or something and see if that could work... maybe a Robert Walls or Ken Sheldon type role... and/or some experienced career assistants, like a Chris Bond.

I don't know... we'd just have to be really careful with the team we develop around him, with plenty of support... not just throw him to the wolves, so to speak

woof · **Joined:** Thu Mar 02, 2006 9:51 am **Posts:** 4919

Blue Vain wrote:

As for Whoosha, he has the most talented list by a fair margin. Yet he had to be dragged kicking and screaming to abandon his not negotiable man on man style late last year. Had he persisted in his pig headedness, I have doubts West Coast would have been premiers.

By what margin did WCE lose the 2005 grand final?

Warby · **Posted:** Fri May 18, 2007 3:44 pm

The Tyrant wrote:

how do we know Michael Voss is that great a prospect?

How did we know Barassi would be a great Coach?.....like Voss; he played under a great Coach, but had no Coaching experience.

Blue Vain · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:35 am **Posts:** 17938

woof wrote:

Blue Vain wrote:

As for Whoosha, he has the most talented list by a fair margin. Yet he had to be dragged kicking and screaming to abandon his not negotiable man on man style late last year. Had he persisted in his pig headedness, I have doubts West Coast would have been premiers.

By what margin did WCE lose the 2005 grand final?

How teams structured up in 05 is irrelevant to this point IMO.
Teams started exploiting Worsfolds man on man philosophy mid 06. They flooded West Coasts forward line and opened up their own because the West Coast players were instructed to follow their opponents.
It was the one identified weakness in the West Coast structure that could be exploited.
Worsfold resisted the pressure until the finals where he succumbed and allowed one or two of his players to zone off and play loose in the backline.

I believe he would have cost them a flag had he refused to compromise but hey, its just my opinion.

The Tyrant · **Posted:** Fri May 18, 2007 4:29 pm

Warby wrote:

The Tyrant wrote:

how do we know Michael Voss is that great a prospect?

How did we know Barassi would be a great Coach?.....like Voss; he played under a great Coach, but had no Coaching experience.

Good point

Tutankhamen was young when he was coronated, and it worked for him.... and that was only thousands of years ago

Warby · **Posted:** Fri May 18, 2007 4:40 pm

....and when he was crowned too....

The Tyrant · **Posted:** Fri May 18, 2007 5:49 pm

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/coronated

you always know how to add value to a conversation, Warby.... I really respect you for that

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