Our next coach?

Mickstar · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 7:40 pm **Posts:** 7156

Warby wrote:

moshe25 wrote:

Jarusa wrote:

Premiership captain is right up there with being a premiership coach IMO, especially in a team like the Brions were in 2001-2003.

Voss lead that team magnificantly.

I guess that Royce Hart and Tony Shaw would make pretty good coaches then....

Not to mention TD, Bruce Monteath, and Darrell Baldock..........

Moshe conveniently omitted mentioning Ronald Dale Barassi (when talking about Premiership Captains) who had absolutely NOTHING on his CV in Coaching experience (apart from Ch.7 Saturday morning Schoolboy Clinics)..........but led Premiership teams at Melbourne under a great Coach, and had great respect from opponents and team mates.....and even the Media......and then on taking on the Coaching helm at Carlton; completely turned the Carlton F.C. around from "losingitis".....to Premierships and Professionalism which was unheard of before his arrival at the Club.

George Harris and his group took a punt on a potential Premiership Coach in the making......and he produced the goods in spades.

I see Michael Voss as our "Barassi"......in for a penny in for a pound.

Posted this about 2 years ago Warbs.Michael Voss is the modern day Ron Barassi.
Don't think.....just do it.

Navy One · **Posted:** Thu May 17, 2007 9:35 pm

gerry atric wrote:

Quote:

Premiership captain is right up there with being a premiership coach IMO, especially in a team like the Brions were in 2001-2003.

Right up there but totally different.

Captains of premiership sides tend to lead magnificently, as do many captains of lesser talented sides.

At Bris Voss had a lot of leaders to support him. But Roger Merrett led Brissy magnificently and was a hopeless coach. Being onfield leader is totally different to sitting in the coaches box. Do we know anything about Voss's tactical nous? His planning skills? His capacity to deal with a huge range of personalities off the field, when you are not in the team but need to be slightly aloof.

Sticks led magnificently, anyone want him as coach?

I can't believe so many here seem to want Voss appointed, rather than go through a selection process. We have never had an interview process for coach, we have just head hunted and appointed. Let's consider everyone, and select the best coach, not the best footballer, not the biggest name, but the best coach.

Robert Walls said recently on Fox although he was of the opinion that players should do an apprenticeship somewhere else prior to coaching he believed that Michael Voss and Nathan Buckley could start ASAP. Remember that Walls was part of the panel that interviewed Lyon for the job at St Kilda.

blueman · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:28 pm **Posts:** 2220

How it could pan out for Carlton :

4 wins for 2007,

Plenty of young players blooded,

Finish 15th

Draft picks 1 and 3,

Pagan Sacked,

Voss (or else Ratten) accepts coaching role.

Electric Blue · **Joined:** Tue Mar 01, 2005 8:12 am **Posts:** 10076

blueman wrote:

How it could pan out for Carlton :

4 wins for 2007,

Plenty of young players blooded,

Finish 15th

Draft picks 1 and 3,

Pagan Sacked,

Voss (or else Ratten) accepts coaching role.

Thats a win!

camel · **Posted:** Thu May 17, 2007 10:37 pm

Warby wrote:

camelboy wrote:

Jezza didn't have much coaching experience in 1979 either.

Nicholls 1972, likewise.

True.....but they learned heaps under Barassi.

Yeah, Voss probably hasn't learned anything under 4 time premierhsip coach and AFL Legend, what's his name again...???

blueman · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:28 pm **Posts:** 2220

Shrewdness has always featured very strongly in deliberations at Carlton.

And there is no one more shrewd that Mr Richard Pratt, who also has a wonderful feel and sense for the club that he loves...

So the scenario I have described fits inner spiritual Carlton very well indeed.

But I should also mention that the next line in that post would allude to a particularly exciting 2008...

Molly · **Posted:** Fri May 18, 2007 8:37 am

Is there any chance of just fast forwarding to 2008?

I have a feeling that things will feel so much nicer there :-D

Sydney Blue · **Posted:** Fri May 18, 2007 9:04 am

I remember some time back listening to Parkin on the ABC and he was talking about the assistant coaches and who he felt would be successful and senoir coaching role.

He said they guy that impressed him the most and he had a lot of assistants over the years was Greg Williams

I could live with that

bluebeard · **Posted:** Fri May 18, 2007 9:43 am

Sydney Blue wrote:

I remember some time back listening to Parkin on the ABC and he was talking about the assistant coaches and who he felt would be successful and senoir coaching role.

He said they guy that impressed him the most and he had a lot of assistants over the years was Greg Williams

I could live with that

I always thought that Williams would be a good coach.

He reads the ball very well...but I would still prefer Voss or McKenna.

I am not sure about Ratts being the senior coach...our forward line has been a little fragmented this year and Ratts has something to do with that.

JohnM · **Posted:** Fri May 18, 2007 10:25 am

Pratt is exceptionally shrewd, no doubt about that.

But his seeming faith in Kernahan as a football administrator has me worried.

Hopefully, his public utterances to the effect of 'I leave the football side of things up to Sticks' are merely for public consumption.

Because if Sticks has more say in the shaping of our football department than Icke and Swann, we're in a bit of trouble.

The Duke · **Posted:** Fri May 18, 2007 10:27 am

bluebeard wrote:

Sydney Blue wrote:

I remember some time back listening to Parkin on the ABC and he was talking about the assistant coaches and who he felt would be successful and senoir coaching role.

He said they guy that impressed him the most and he had a lot of assistants over the years was Greg Williams

I could live with that

I always thought that Williams would be a good coach.

Doesn't mean he can coach. Diesel has issues and there is no way he could ever be a senior coach. Couldn't handle the media or criticism.

I too would love to see Vossy in charge. He's probably the only bloke I'd be 100% behind if we sack Dennis.

camel · **Posted:** Fri May 18, 2007 10:28 am

JohnM wrote:

Pratt is exceptionally shrewd, no doubt about that.

But his seeming faith in Kernahan as a football administrator has me worried.

Hopefully, his public utterances to the effect of 'I leave the football side of things up to Sticks' are merely for public consumption.

Because if Sticks has more say in the shaping of our football department than Icke and Swann, we're in a bit of trouble.

Yes, it's the one question mark over Pratt I reckon. Fortunately his other benefits are way off the good-for-Carlton scale!

gerry atric · **Joined:** Tue Mar 01, 2005 9:35 am **Posts:** 2125

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Jezza didn't have much coaching experience in 1979 either.

Nicholls 1972, likewise.

CB you can't seriously be suggesting Jezza was a great coach. Great player, yes, inspirational captain coach - yes, but great coach? Great tactician? You're kidding. How well did he coach in his second stint? Wonderful he was a premiership coach, but so was Tony Jewell and I think Jezza had more than a little help from Lofts in 79.

The Blues under Nick in 72 pulled off the equal greatest GF win with 1970. A feat of tactical genius, assisted by Jack Wrout (I think). But you are going back a way to a time when coaches sat on the bench and there was one of them. To use those examples to support an arguement about 2007 is stretching it.

I think Voss was a great player and it is possible he may be a great coach, but just as we seem to be emerging from the mire of archaic management and bad decisions I can't believe how many intelligent posters want Voss regardless of who else may be available and want to avoid a proper process. Let's get into the new millenium and stop imagining that there is anyone around - Voss or whoever- who can perform magic.

We don't want the best ex player, we want the best coach. It might be Voss, but there is no evidence to suggest it is. The next coach will be one of the most important decsions in the clubs history. Denis has delieverd high draft picks, now we want someone to deleiver flags.

The Duke · **Posted:** Fri May 18, 2007 10:38 am

camelboy wrote:

JohnM wrote:

Pratt is exceptionally shrewd, no doubt about that.

But his seeming faith in Kernahan as a football administrator has me worried.

Hopefully, his public utterances to the effect of 'I leave the football side of things up to Sticks' are merely for public consumption.

Because if Sticks has more say in the shaping of our football department than Icke and Swann, we're in a bit of trouble.

Yes, it's the one question mark over Pratt I reckon. Fortunately his other benefits are way off the good-for-Carlton scale!

Don't worry, he gives Sticks the immediate responsibility to run the footy department but Sticks feels warm air on the back of his neck. I wouldn't be feeling comfortable at all. Pratt expects results but he will only give him so long to produce them.

Pratt has others working for him that know a little about the game and they will report back on how Sticks is going. Pratt will then digest all information and come up with what he believes the best scenario.

This may be that we are playing young blokes who are looking great for the years ahead, or that Stevens injury has been a massive blow to expectations or whatever. Pratt will then sift through the information from the people he respects (demands results) and act swiftly.

camel · **Posted:** Fri May 18, 2007 10:48 am

gerry atric wrote:

Quote:

Jezza didn't have much coaching experience in 1979 either.

Nicholls 1972, likewise.

CB you can't seriously be suggesting Jezza was a great coach. Great player, yes, inspirational captain coach - yes, but great coach? Great tactician? You're kidding. How well did he coach in his second stint? Wonderful he was a premiership coach, but so was Tony Jewell and I think Jezza had more than a little help from Lofts in 79.

The Blues under Nick in 72 pulled off the equal greatest GF win with 1970. A feat of tactical genius, assisted by Jack Wrout (I think). But you are going back a way to a time when coaches sat on the bench and there was one of them. To use those examples to support an arguement about 2007 is stretching it.

I think Voss was a great player and it is possible he may be a great coach, but just as we seem to be emerging from the mire of archaic management and bad decisions I can't believe how many intelligent posters want Voss regardless of who else may be available and want to avoid a proper process. Let's get into the new millenium and stop imagining that there is anyone around - Voss or whoever- who can perform magic.

We don't want the best ex player, we want the best coach. It might be Voss, but there is no evidence to suggest it is. The next coach will be one of the most important decsions in the clubs history. Denis has delieverd high draft picks, now we want someone to deleiver flags.

Good post gerry. I was being cheeky.

I take your point in regards to process, but Voss has a nice romanticism about him. However, you're right, if, when we replace Denis then a thorough and honest interview process should take place.

George Harris · **Posted:** Fri May 18, 2007 11:02 am

We really can't afford any margin of error as far as appointing our next coach goes. We've spent too many years in the wilderness already.

Therefore I would go with the "runs-on-the-board" candidate over an untried one, and so would favour a Roos over a Voss for example.

buzzaaaah · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:31 am **Posts:** 17892

A panel of "experts" Swann, Icke, Walls, Parkin eevn Grant Thomas could determine if Voss is "coach-ready" to use a Butters term. If he is, this may be a once-in a decade opportunity. Realistaclly we are 3-4 years from being a premiership team. Voss doesnt need to be the best in the AFL next year. He could develop with the team.

If we miss the boat with Voss, we might regret it for a long time.

The Duke · **Posted:** Fri May 18, 2007 11:22 am

buzzaaaah wrote:

A panel of "experts" Swann, Icke, Walls, Parkin eevn Grant Thomas could determine if Voss is "coach-ready" to use a Butters term. If he is, this may be a once-in a decade opportunity. Realistaclly we are 3-4 years from being a premiership team. Voss doesnt need to be the best in the AFL next year. He could develop with the team.

If we miss the boat with Voss, we might regret it for a long time.

I totally agree (accept the bit about Thomas). We don't need to go through the Butterss BS process, that's done nothing for them in the last 8 years. We just need to get back to gut instinct footy rather than jumping at shadows/reactionary garbage.

Michael Voss;
3 time Premiership Captain
3 time Premiership Coach

:lol:

tommi · **Posted:** Fri May 18, 2007 11:27 am

Ya know.................

either way..........i'm a little excited...........!

i feel we're like an un-trained dog on a leash.....one who's
just seen some duckees......and all he wants to do is.........GET THEM.......!

he's up on his back legs........pulling....tugging.........barking.....
salivating...........looking back at you with sheer delight......
BEGGING you to let him go............!

PLEASE LET ME GO..............PLEASE LET ME GO......!

but the poor little bugger's on a leash................!

for NOW..........!

one thing i can promise you is........next year that
pooch is getting set free.......and ya know......?

he's RIPPING those ducks a new one..............!

kindest regards tommi

i will now perform my star jump routine...............!

thedominator · **Posted:** Fri May 18, 2007 11:48 am

I tend to agree that we should go with the gut feeling about our next coach. My gut feeling tells me Mckenna feels right and so does Voss. Have no problem with either. My gut feeling also tells me that whatever the case Pagan doesn't feel anywhere near right...

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