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The football department is NOT where we should be cutting costs...if anything, more should be INVESTED in it...we need to invest in our players by providing them the best support we possibly can.


Clem, I totally agree with that. I guess I was just musing on whether a new coach will bring in a totally new team. The new coach needs that option, but I would hope whoever it is favours some of our current assistants as I think we may have got that close to right.

In terms of a new coach, we need an exhaustive process to get the best, and then provide them with the support they require, and then expect them to be bloody successful


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Would we be willing to risk appointing Voss as senior coach given he would have had no coaching experience at all? I'd like him to be an assistant and maybe coach a team at a lower level before we consider going after him.


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Would we be willing to risk appointing Voss as senior coach given he would have had no coaching experience at all? I'd like him to be an assistant and maybe coach a team at a lower level before we consider going after him.


The question is do you want him as coach, because if you do you may not have the option of hiring him after he has had experience as an assitant. He may get offered a job as senior coach very quickly. We missed the boat with Worsfold. We gave Brittain the job and let Wet Toast poach him. Are you willing to take the chance with Voss??

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Premiership captain is right up there with being a premiership coach IMO, especially in a team like the Brions were in 2001-2003.

Voss lead that team magnificantly.

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Premiership captain is right up there with being a premiership coach IMO, especially in a team like the Brions were in 2001-2003.

Voss lead that team magnificantly.


You want Barry Hall to coach Carlton??

The thing that Voss would bring (one of the many actually) is accountability. You couldnt look him in the eye if you pulled out of a contest or didnt do the right thing by the team.

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Would we be willing to risk appointing Voss as senior coach given he would have had no coaching experience at all?


Yes.

The greater the risk, the greater the return.

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Voss would be fantastic.

Where do I sign?

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Premiership captain is right up there with being a premiership coach IMO, especially in a team like the Brions were in 2001-2003.


Right up there but totally different.

Captains of premiership sides tend to lead magnificently, as do many captains of lesser talented sides.

At Bris Voss had a lot of leaders to support him. But Roger Merrett led Brissy magnificently and was a hopeless coach. Being onfield leader is totally different to sitting in the coaches box. Do we know anything about Voss's tactical nous? His planning skills? His capacity to deal with a huge range of personalities off the field, when you are not in the team but need to be slightly aloof.

Sticks led magnificently, anyone want him as coach?

I can't believe so many here seem to want Voss appointed, rather than go through a selection process. We have never had an interview process for coach, we have just head hunted and appointed. Let's consider everyone, and select the best coach, not the best footballer, not the biggest name, but the best coach.


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I'm obviously biased, Voss was my favourite non-Carlton player, I just have a lot of respect for him and reckon he is a one in a million individual. None of the other coaches who have been appointed without an apprenticeship in the last 20 years have been anywhere near him IMO.

But an interview process would be a great thing for Carlton to actually start doing as well.

However, for Voss I'm prepared to wait for that to happen in one more coaches time. :wink:

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Why not Daniher -got a very sound record


As what??


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Premiership captain is right up there with being a premiership coach IMO, especially in a team like the Brions were in 2001-2003.

Voss lead that team magnificantly.


I guess that Royce Hart and Tony Shaw would make pretty good coaches then....

Not to mention TD, Bruce Monteath, and Darrell Baldock..........


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How many flags has N.Daniher coached???At least we'd only have to buy a membership every 2nd year :shock: :shock: :shock:

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Jarusa wrote:
Premiership captain is right up there with being a premiership coach IMO, especially in a team like the Brions were in 2001-2003.

Voss lead that team magnificantly.


I guess that Royce Hart and Tony Shaw would make pretty good coaches then....

Not to mention TD, Bruce Monteath, and Darrell Baldock..........


Moshe conveniently omitted mentioning Ronald Dale Barassi (when talking about Premiership Captains) who had absolutely NOTHING on his CV in Coaching experience (apart from Ch.7 Saturday morning Schoolboy Clinics)..........but led Premiership teams at Melbourne under a great Coach, and had great respect from opponents and team mates.....and even the Media......and then on taking on the Coaching helm at Carlton; completely turned the Carlton F.C. around from "losingitis".....to Premierships and Professionalism which was unheard of before his arrival at the Club.

George Harris and his group took a punt on a potential Premiership Coach in the making......and he produced the goods in spades.

I see Michael Voss as our "Barassi"......in for a penny in for a pound.

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Jezza didn't have much coaching experience in 1979 either.

Nicholls 1972, likewise.

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Jezza didn't have much coaching experience in 1979 either.

Nicholls 1972, likewise.


True.....but they learned heaps under Barassi.

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Jezza didn't have much coaching experience in 1979 either.

Nicholls 1972, likewise.


Its a very different game now, and there were no assistant coaches then. It was only the 90's when clubs began appointing more than 1 assistant.

Having said that :-D I'd be willing to give Voss the job, provided we went through an extensive interview process and he was judged the best choice.

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Worsfold had just the one season with us as an assistant coach before getting the gig at West Coast.

Under Wayne Brittain.

In my opinion (and no disrespect to Britts) this pretty much undermines the philosophy of 'doing time' as an apprentice.

Whoosha was probably pretty much ready to go when he retired. That year at Carlton probably helped him a little, but it's not like he spent three years assisting a Leigh Matthews or a Mick Malthouse.

Voss has every chance of being the next Worsfold. But if we don't pounce at the end of this year, we'll miss the boat.


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They make one good point.

Voss is a redhead, that could be a worry. :P

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